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by Palerider
Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:19 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Church paying $5 Million SEC fine
Replies: 64
Views: 5727

Re: Church paying $5 Million SEC fine

Saw John Dehlin and guest (lawyer) on this issue tonight. Very informative and insightful. The fine is nothing but according to the findings the church leadership had to admit guilt to achieve a settlement. They knowingly lied and broke the law intentionally as stated in the documents. All members ...
by Palerider
Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:02 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Church paying $5 Million SEC fine
Replies: 64
Views: 5727

Re: Church paying $5 Million SEC fine

Saw John Dehlin and guest (lawyer) on this issue tonight. Very informative and insightful. The fine is nothing but according to the findings the church leadership had to admit guilt to achieve a settlement. They knowingly lied and broke the law intentionally as stated in the documents. All members s...
by Palerider
Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why does Scripture become irrelavant?
Replies: 10
Views: 701

Re: Why does Scripture become irrelavant?

One of the early church influencers, Marcion, reached the erroneous conclusion that God was done with the Jews and that the Old Testament writings should not be included as a part of the Christian Canon. The Marcionites are awesome. They believed that the Old Testament Yahweh was actually an evil, ...
by Palerider
Thu Feb 16, 2023 10:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why does Scripture become irrelavant?
Replies: 10
Views: 701

Re: Why does Scripture become irrelavant?

I know, I know.... I'm the out-lier here but I love the Biblical scriptures. I've read the Old Testament at least 4 times and continue to study it frequently. The Old Testament aside from being a witness to Israel of the covenant from Jehovah, gives great meaning and understanding to the New Testame...
by Palerider
Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:09 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Does living together make sense?
Replies: 11
Views: 829

Re: Does living together make sense?

There is research to support both scenarios, but frankly the research I've seen that supports NOT living together first is a bit skewed because the population it examined was religious folks. Caveat: this is not my field just what I remember based on some research I've done. The research we studied...
by Palerider
Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.
Replies: 25
Views: 2383

Re: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.

Hagoth wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:48 pm
I can't imagine anything more exhausting than trying to be an actual scholar while working for people who care nothing about actual scholarship because they are really in the business of disseminating propaganda.
....and making money.
by Palerider
Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.
Replies: 25
Views: 2383

Re: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.

And finally: 2123: Official church AI algorithms disavow any uncomfortable doctrine of the past, and declare that all COJCOLDS biological units are ordered to offer up 50% of their cryptocurrency at any of the 5,000 casino structures that were once erroneously misidentified as temples. Obedience wi...
by Palerider
Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:35 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.
Replies: 25
Views: 2383

Re: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.

Well yeah, but: Related to the original topic of this post... If the "Great Apostasy" never happened, what is there to 'restore'? The thing that's left to restore is the members' poor understanding of what has been taught specifically by leadership for the past hundred years. So even though it's be...
by Palerider
Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Can there be an Alma?
Replies: 9
Views: 897

Re: Can there be an Alma?

I always thought the Corianton story was awfully accommodating. Just try going out and shagging a "bad girl" while on your mission now and see if you get a tough reprimand and then get sent back into the mission field..... I asked my mission president about Corianton and he just said, "Well, Alma wa...
by Palerider
Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sacrament Meetings & My Ramblings
Replies: 7
Views: 691

Re: Sacrament Meetings & My Ramblings

I once read an article by Daniel Peterson the apologist. He was going on about how unfair all the criticism of the church was and then he said, "WE didn't start this fight but we're going to finish it and protect ourselves", something to that effect. I thought what a disingenuous dope. You send out ...
by Palerider
Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.
Replies: 25
Views: 2383

Re: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.

“We're witnesses to a process of restoration,” said the prophet. “If you think the Church has been fully restored, you're just seeing the beginning. There is much more to come. … Wait till next year. And then the next year. Eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest. It's going to be exciting.” The Ongo...
by Palerider
Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.
Replies: 25
Views: 2383

Re: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.

Sooooo.... what about the two main churches mentioned in the BoM? One was the church of the Devil and the other the restored church. How does that work???? :|
by Palerider
Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:09 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Thoughts on priesthood blessings and feeling the spirit meaning the church is true
Replies: 23
Views: 1800

Re: Thoughts on priesthood blessings and feeling the spirit meaning the church is true

If we think in terms of Heavenly Father and the Savior watching over their children here on earth, we should ask ourselves, how many would be blessed or cared for if God said, "Oh I can't give you a blessing because you're not in the right church. I only give blessings to my children through properl...
by Palerider
Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:23 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Woman riles up Sarasota Springs Priesthood
Replies: 6
Views: 1021

Re: Woman riles up Sarasota Springs Priesthood

If I'm not mistaken the actual article says "Boys will be boys". Am I wrong there?
by Palerider
Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:01 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Murdered Utah family
Replies: 4
Views: 555

Murdered Utah family

I'd be very interested to know if anyone here has or will have insights as to the killing of this LDS family by their father. What I have read so far indicates that the wife/mother had just recently filed for divorce. I know you Utah people are more tuned into the LDS grapevine. Any chance this whol...
by Palerider
Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:24 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Lusting for Mary
Replies: 4
Views: 562

Lusting for Mary

I'm quite certain the church has saved millions of young men from lusting over Mary. Thank heaven we don't have to deal with porn shoulders in the church publications. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mormon-church-condemned-for-photoshopping-painting-of-virgin-mary-to-cover-her-bust-and-shoulders/...
by Palerider
Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Hypocrisy
Replies: 7
Views: 872

Re: Hypocrisy

Even though the above article comes down on the "stay faithful" side of the argument, it also makes clear there is no place for condemnation or judging of the individual who takes a different path than that sought for by the church. If anything those who "judge" should be saying, "I don't blame you....
by Palerider
Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Hypocrisy
Replies: 7
Views: 872

Re: Hypocrisy

You have my deepest sympathies. I'm going through something similar with my elderly TBM in-laws that are living with us right now. :roll: You might consider sending this article from "LDS Living" to your relatives. It was written by Patrick Mason, who according to John Dehlin, has admitted that he t...
by Palerider
Sat Dec 24, 2022 9:17 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Merry Christmas to all my Nomies
Replies: 9
Views: 832

Re: Merry Christmas to all my Nomies

Thank you and merry Christmas to you as well.
by Palerider
Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Institutional narcissism and child abuse
Replies: 6
Views: 632

Institutional narcissism and child abuse

See any similarities? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/catholic-collective-narcissism-linked-to-acceptance-of-myths-about-child-sexual-abuse/ar-AA158lOE?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=9536df1f66b9407d90d980ca79016b47 “Even though sexual relations between priests and minors have taken place inside th...