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by Jeffret
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:24 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The prophet is perfect?
Replies: 41
Views: 2404

Re: The prophet is perfect?

Actual experts on the history and sociology of marriage will explain to you that there are lots of variations on marriage throughout human history and communities. In all these variations, some form of plural or polygamous marriage is most prevalent. Of course, the prevalence of something or its tra...
by Jeffret
Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:18 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: top 5 smoking guns
Replies: 21
Views: 1599

Re: top 5 smoking guns

It's really a very personal thing as to what makes a difference in someone's faith. Each person's top 5 is going to be different. Or top 400. After years of my slow separation from the church and many hours and hours of discussion on all sorts of topics I found troubling or concerning, my wife final...
by Jeffret
Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why no children from JS plural marriages?
Replies: 73
Views: 4650

Re: Why no children from JS plural marriages?

Joseph Smith was an idealist and the prophet. He was not a governor or King. And that is why he was removed. This one's clearly contradicted by the historical record. Or meaningless hair-splitting. As Not Buying It notes, he did consider himself king, having had himself ordained as such. Whether he...
by Jeffret
Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Attendance
Replies: 9
Views: 924

Re: Attendance

Outward displays of loyalty to the tribe.
by Jeffret
Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:54 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why no children from JS plural marriages?
Replies: 73
Views: 4650

Re: Why no children from JS plural marriages?

Comparing JS with JC makes as much sense. JC ran with women of questionable character, but in the end, it was Peter and Paul that created the Christian church. And regardless of what they were or did, billions of people follow Jesus. The "image of Christ" suits them. So whether or not JS was a poly...
by Jeffret
Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why no children from JS plural marriages?
Replies: 73
Views: 4650

Re: Why no children from JS plural marriages?

I find it interesting that some will strongly fight against believing that Joseph lived polygamy and most especially that there were any sexual relations with any of his plural wives if he did practice it. But, these same members will be just fine with BY and other early Prophets and church leaders...
by Jeffret
Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:03 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why no children from JS plural marriages?
Replies: 73
Views: 4650

Re: Why no children from JS plural marriages?

I realize it's extremely important to you that Joseph didn't engage in polygamy. That certainly colors the way you view any evidence and claims. I really couldn't care one way or the other. It doesn't matter to me. It has no bearing on much of anything. It's true that the evidence wouldn't necessari...
by Jeffret
Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why no children from JS plural marriages?
Replies: 73
Views: 4650

Re: Why no children from JS plural marriages?

SaidNobody wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:00 pm
Ahmed's Razor I think suggests that they weren't his wives.
Who's Ahmed and what's he doing with his razor?
by Jeffret
Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:00 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I realized that there was no need for women
Replies: 26
Views: 1266

Re: I realized that there was no need for women

Interesting point. Blogs are becoming old school. Still. There's anonymity with the blog. The commenters need that, still. If the commenters need anonymity, they'll go where they can get. Such as places like this. It seems like a lot are a lot less concerned with it these days. Maybe that's because...
by Jeffret
Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Typical Church Building Layout and Sexism
Replies: 24
Views: 1743

Re: Typical Church Building Layout and Sexism

The High Priest's group leader doesn't have an office either. Or the Elder's Quorum President. Or the Young Men's president. Or the Young Women's president. or the Primary President. Or... Indeed, but the bishop does. And the stake president, at the stake center, has a luxurious one. And the ward c...
by Jeffret
Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:11 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I realized that there was no need for women
Replies: 26
Views: 1266

Re: I realized that there was no need for women

We all know strong, brilliant women who would make amazing speakers and leaders but we don't seem to hear as much from them. I would gladly transfer my priesthood to one of them and let her run with it. Otherwise, it's pretty much going to waste on me. I'd offer up mine, also. I'm not using it. The...
by Jeffret
Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:10 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I realized that there was no need for women
Replies: 26
Views: 1266

Re: I realized that there was no need for women

Excellent observations! A number of things I hadn't recognized before. Much of what you observe has to with magnifying and reinforcing the priesthood. In other words, preparing boys to accept their privileged positions of public recognition and girls to accept their submissive, quiet positions. In o...
by Jeffret
Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Typical Church Building Layout and Sexism
Replies: 24
Views: 1743

Re: Typical Church Building Layout and Sexism

This is definitely sexist toward the men in the church. I agree! Women always get the big rooms with the soft chairs, while the men are left sitting on cold, hard fold up chairs that we put away ourselves. Women have eaiser access to the snacks and goodies in the kitchen too. So unfair! It's true. ...
by Jeffret
Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:59 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Women @GC?
Replies: 18
Views: 1102

Re: Women @GC?

I think you are correct. I hope that can change. The problem I see is women don't understand what the RS should become. It will never get back to how it was unless the management is released back to the women. I wonder if the brethren are nervous that if the women were given full authority over the...
by Jeffret
Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:32 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Book of Mormon - "Critical Need"
Replies: 13
Views: 896

Re: Book of Mormon - "Critical Need"

Just once, just once......I would like to hear an emphasis on reading the New Testament. Like, "we need to learn more about what Jesus would do, so read the Gospels" or "at this time of year let's all read Luke and Matthew." That wouldn't create a differentiation between the Mormon Church and the o...
by Jeffret
Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Women @GC?
Replies: 18
Views: 1102

Re: Women @GC?

From the FMH and Exponent II FB groups, I would say they are becoming larger post -mo communities, or more Mormon sects oriented instead of just LDS. The church is hemorrhaging their best and brightest women, and I think it will be the downfall of the church. As alas mentioned earlier, it's always ...
by Jeffret
Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Women @GC?
Replies: 18
Views: 1102

Re: Women @GC?

alas wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:02 pm
It is one of those times I want to tell myself that I am an idiot for still caring.
Possibly. Though it's hard to let go and give up on it. Especially if you've still got a connection to it.
by Jeffret
Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Women @GC?
Replies: 18
Views: 1102

Re: Women @GC?

I think more are disillusioned and have simply left. Around the time of Ordain Women and the heyday of FMH there was a lot of excitement that they could actually do something. They thought they could actually make an impact. Some of us could have told them significant changes weren't going to happen...
by Jeffret
Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nonsense language
Replies: 41
Views: 2784

Re: Nonsense language

I definitely hear "moisture" used outside a Mormon context in Colorado. I think I heard it in San Diego, also, but I can't remember that for sure.
by Jeffret
Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nonsense language
Replies: 41
Views: 2784

Re: Nonsense language

The use of the term "moisture" isn't so much of a Mormon thing as a regional thing. Often things we think are Mormon things are just things they've picked up as part of their place within the larger society. This certainly applies to significant parts of their conservative politics. Usage of "moistu...