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When has widening the gulf or deepening their problems ever bothered the church? They have God on their side after all. Who cares how far away from the rest of evil society they get? And they just don't think they can afford to spend the kind of money on the girls that they spend on the boys. So, t...

but even the SCOTUS has ruled differently with sex than with race. So, I am wondering if there will be exceptions made for troops that do not want to allow girls. For now, that's the official policy. Packs can choose whether to admit girls, though outside of Mormonism I think the vast majority are ...

I just don't think that the church will allow integration of boys and girls activities. But, they already do. And have for a long time. Unless they've changed things since I left. There is a monthly combined (coed) activity for youth activity night. Sunday School classes are coed. Even back when I ...

But as I said in my post in the other thread, where has there ever been a group that practiced polygamy where it wasn’t coercive, abusive, and generally just bad for a substantial number of the women in the group? I don't have personal experience, but do any of these qualify? More Than Two What It'...

Usually the BSA, now Scouts BSA, allows local troops to have complete control over who they allow to join or lead. That's not entirely true, at least not in theory or by policy. In practice, anti-discrimination can always get messy. The BSA has some anti-discrimination standards. It prohibits discr...

And, the only way poly game ever works is in cultures with high rates of warfare, where 3/4 of the young men are killed in battle, but no women are involved in warfare. So, no bombing of cities and the stuff of modern warfare. It has to be the kind where men go off away from towns and villages and ...

Can you imagine being a 13 year old boy and not really interested in going to scout camp. Then you find out cute girls will be there too. Nice. That's pretty much what's going to be happening. We don't know yet how it will play out within the Mormon Church, but in general that's what's going to be ...

I was wrong with my age range. The church "dumped" scouting for the 13-18 year olds. I imagine it will take some time for those 12-18 kids to get "phased out" as the "dumping" was supposed to begin Jan 1, 2018, but it is interesting that you haven't seen any changes. Maybe some local units are igno...

I don't know. I've talked with a very engaged Mormon woman who is preparing to be one of the leaders for the girl troop in her Mormon ward once the BSA allows them to start signing up. She asserts that the adoption of Scouts BSA for Mormon girls is well on its way and is supported from the highest l...

For fair marriage equality, I would like to see the return of polygamy and polyandry later on. Otherwise we are just promoting and supporting LGTB and not other marriage union choices that should not be Illegal and discriminated against. Sigh. If you want to promote that, it's a separate topic. Sup...

That's great news! Though not at all surprising at this point. It's been very obvious there's been a huge shift. What will Nelson and Oaks do about this? Declare it a lost cause and move on? Or double down and drive people out at record rates? I think the most likely: Be oblivious to it. That seems ...

For anyone interested the title is 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?" Great show. I may have watch it again. It shows how even people who think they're enlightened and tolerant have issues they don't recognize.

You may think this is strange but I actually enjoyed serving in the Primary, especially the last few years I was involved. It was a lot better than going to adult classes and listening to all the annoying, disturbing comments there. Sharing time could be really annoying, though. The last couple of y...

We're just in a place right now, I think, that we want to be authentic with people. It's nice to have a safe place like NOM to come and vent or ask questions, but I don't think either one of us are necessarily hiding anything from anybody. It's nice to be in a situation like that. That's certainly ...

I totally agree we need to see better data to prop up my assumptions. I'm merely throwing out the idea that many LDS couples are simply bound only by their common belief in the church. A symptom of a quick engagement and Kimball's teachings that a testimony is all that is needed. It's a valid possi...

This last one is given as a warning. I've seen it play out over and over amongst our communities of disaffected Mormons. 10. Many couples who go through a faith crisis together often come out the other side together than quickly learn that their only connection was the church. Risk of divorce durin...

My actual story was a little bit like this. While still an active, participating NOM, I would tend to get underarm rashes from the fabric of the awful garment design and materials bunching all up under there. I'd skip the garment tops for a while and it would disappear. I'd go back to the tops and i...

When LDSman started the forum, he had a vision that is probably more along the lines of what StayLDS is. He advocated a Middle Way, where people could acknowledge all of the problems in the Church but still find meaningful interaction in participating. Realistically, though, there probably haven't b...

Another fair point. What I should have said is that I don't want to feel like I'm making excuses for the BoM by providing an easy out. That seems like apologetics to me and it just doesn't hold water IMO. That said, I certainly appreciate your point about teaching them to be critical thinkers. I th...

Here's the way I've long looked at it: Consider the most devout, true believing members on one side. On the other side consider the most certain disbelievers. The Mormons and the anti-Mormons. Consider between them a great ridge. Up there right near the top two groups try to balance. You can't balan...