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by Jeffret
Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 62
Views: 2226

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

Yes, and specifically fear that someone like Kate Kelly could take them to court and win. They have certainly noticed that even private gentlemen's clubs, like the Alta Club, have recently been forced to accept women. They might conclude that a constitutional amendment that requires equality withou...
by Jeffret
Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 62
Views: 2226

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

I wonder if it comes down to them being fearful of women coming to expect equal treatment. Absolutely. The Church fears the ERA for the same reason it fears gay marriage. It undermines their patriarchal system. It calls into question their demanded exclusive moral authority. It disputes their claim...
by Jeffret
Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 62
Views: 2226

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

I think, using the language of their time, this is what the Founders thought they were saying. Nah, that's clearly not the case. They considered women's rights only as a very limited subset of men's as they were granted by men. When they said "mankind" or "men" they meant males. And pretty much onl...
by Jeffret
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church Renews Opposition to ERA
Replies: 62
Views: 2226

Re: Church Renews Opposition to ERA

As I look at the above conversation to this point, it occurs to me that it may be more of a generational issue than a conversation about rights. By all means I am for women having the same rights as men. I have no argument there. The question is more one of understanding the way people of my genera...
by Jeffret
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Extended Family Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 875

Re: Extended Family Relationships

Not really. We don't participate in their religious rituals and expressions so in that sense we're more distant. They don't participate in activities we do on Sundays. Such as an upcoming Christmas tree hunt that has always been on Saturday in the past, but is shifting to Sunday this year to accommo...
by Jeffret
Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: It's been a while. What next
Replies: 33
Views: 1291

Re: It's been a while. What next

Did you ever have a situation where your mother called you and asked, "Oh, little Jeffret is trying 8 next month. When is his baptism? We want to be there." Actually we didn't. It surprised us, but it never came up. If the time between when our disengagement became noticeable and one of those event...
by Jeffret
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:11 am
Forum: Support
Topic: It's been a while. What next
Replies: 33
Views: 1291

Re: It's been a while. What next

I may be the minority on this, but I still see no reason extended family needs to be told. What business is it of theirs, really, what underwear I wear? Or even what god I worship or don't? Or what I do on Sunday mornings? (It's a lot more fun that what we used to do.) We never came out with some bi...
by Jeffret
Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:19 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Breasts in the news
Replies: 31
Views: 1579

Re: Breasts in the news

The quote from the West Valley City attorney, that there hasn’t been any past cases that have “completely undone the notion that the Legislature cannot legislate morality” is totally ludicrous. Where did he get his legal training? According to a commenter on the SL Tribune article, the answer, unsu...
by Jeffret
Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:00 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Breasts in the news
Replies: 31
Views: 1579

Re: Breasts in the news

My city is basically a good city. A bit progressive. City and citizens aren't afraid of spending a little money to make things a nice place to live. Generally tries to be inclusive and treat people equally and nicely, but not always successfully. I wasn't at all surprised that this ordinance was pas...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Breasts in the news
Replies: 31
Views: 1579

Re: Breasts in the news

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/11/22/free-nipple-attorney-vows/ Client is now suing the prosecutor over this. Good. David Lane knows a fair bit about the topic, having been heavily involved in the Fort Collins Free the Nipple case and the Loveland case where the woman recently received a $50,000 ...
by Jeffret
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Turning Christains into Atheists
Replies: 23
Views: 905

Re: Turning Christains into Atheists

They aren't exactly celebrating here but by implication they are saying, compared to others we're "holding steady" which as we both agree is just a euphemism for stagnation, at least here in the U.S. http://www.ldsliving.com/Latter-day-Saints-Hold-Steady-Amid-Decline-of-Christianity-Religious-Belie...
by Jeffret
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Turning Christains into Atheists
Replies: 23
Views: 905

Re: Turning Christains into Atheists

You know how our church has switched to “home centered, church supported”? The lady in the Canadian church article said similarly. I wonder if there’s a larger background reason. There have been observations that many families these days, particularly young families, have switched to a homechurched...
by Jeffret
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Turning Christains into Atheists
Replies: 23
Views: 905

Re: Turning Christains into Atheists

This is nothing for the LDS church to celebrate and I think in the upper offices of the COB they are quietly panicking. They used to have bragging rights about being the fastest growing religion on the planet. Now all they can celebrate is that they're not shrinking.....yet.... Stagnation is nothin...
by Jeffret
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:24 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Breasts in the news
Replies: 31
Views: 1579

Re: Breasts in the news

It's hard to see how the attempts to prosecute her aren't going to run afoul of the precedent set by my city losing in the 10th Circuit. The City decided not to appeal after spending $322,000 in legal costs. As Fort Collins lifts prohibition on female toplessness , "the decision to not appeal the ru...
by Jeffret
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Turning Christains into Atheists
Replies: 23
Views: 905

Re: Turning Christains into Atheists

The way Christ was viewed was the subject of debate for hundreds of years. I see Christ as a culmination of the highest good in humanity - and how to love well. We all struggle at times, to love well. Completely agree. The debate and the struggle rage on. I've recommended Bruce Bawer's Stealing Jes...
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Adam and Eve possible?
Replies: 10
Views: 524

Re: Adam and Eve possible?

Either way, I believe the 6000 BC Adam and Eve in the Bible is simply a story passed down from generations to explain how Homo sapiens came to be. Same with the Flood of Noah, Jonah and the fish, etc. All oral stories, eventually written down and taught as faith promoting. In 3000 years, perhaps th...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Adam and Eve possible?
Replies: 10
Views: 524

Re: Adam and Eve possible?

Gauger and Hössjer published this paper at BIO-Complexity , which is described at RationalWiki as, "an open access journal published by the weirdly named Biologic Institute, a lame front for creation science." They work at the Discovery Institute , which is known for attempts to mangle science in fa...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Turning Christains into Atheists
Replies: 23
Views: 905

Re: Turning Christains into Atheists

Pavlovitz was certainly right when he wrote this -- it's only become more true since then. All the surveys and statistics clearly show that organized religion in the U.S.A., which essentially means Christianity, is collapsing. As Pavlovitz wrote, much of this can be placed at the feet of proclaimed ...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:58 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 2815

Re: I choose love, full stop.

OK, a couple more caught my attention while I'm waiting for something else. Michael Glatze, ex homosexual and ex-“gay rights” leader said, “Homosexuality is death and I choose life.” Those practicing homosexuality - especially men - have much higher rates of STDS, mental illness, AIDS and other heal...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I choose love, full stop.
Replies: 70
Views: 2815

Re: I choose love, full stop.

Newme's whole post is a mess of inaccurate, incorrect, and biased information. I was going to refrain from replying but I decided to do the respectful thing of paying attention to it and it's such a mess. In case anyone else is interested in the problems here are some of my notes. 2) The anus is not...