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by Keewon
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Replies: 127
Views: 5325

Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring

Emower wrote: ↑ Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:52 am I guess where I am at is that truth is no longer binary for me. I think a lot of what we assume to be the truth is actually relative moral frameworks created by our subconscious. This part I agree with 100% - i think truth as a term is meaningless because e...
by Keewon
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Book of Abraham
Replies: 48
Views: 1626

Re: Book of Abraham

4- Olishem is clearly one of Joseph Smith's made up words that he contrived while he was learning Hebrew. It's a conflation of the Hebrew words olah and shem, which means basically "name of a place of sacrifice." Thanks for this, Hagoth. You're amazing. :) My knowledge of Hebrew came from a 2 week ...
by Keewon
Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Replies: 127
Views: 5325

Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring

I would love to be at the Q&A section of a lecture with Givens or his ilk, and have someone ask the following questions: "If the BofA contained a literal translation of the papyri, would that be evidence that JS was a prophet? Why or why not?" "If the BofA did not contain a literal translation of th...
by Keewon
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Replies: 127
Views: 5325

Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring

I presume that if the BofA turned out to have some scientific merit, the Church would latch onto it. Science would be the order of the day. Science would be their best friend. They'd shout: "Look here. Here's smoking gun scientific evidence JS was a prophet!" Not only would you hear about it in gene...
by Keewon
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:13 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Who would you like to meet in the after life?
Replies: 29
Views: 1131

Re: Who would you like to meet in the after life?

My mom. She was a person who, just in the quality of her life and her charity could make you believe there was a god. She was that kind of person.
by Keewon
Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:29 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mass disclosure update
Replies: 10
Views: 607

Re: Mass disclosure update

Wow. What a mess. TBMs have a very limited number of go-to hypotheses for why a member might not attend a temple ceremony, unconfessed sins being the first to come to mind. The fact that a person would choose not to attend for reasons of honesty and integrity won't occur to most at all. The "fake it...
by Keewon
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Who would you like to meet in the after life?
Replies: 29
Views: 1131

Re: Who would you like to meet in the after life?

Joseph Smith - so I could kick him in the balls. That bastard screwed things up for me real good. Before you do that, take a good look at the guy standing next to him with the long hair and disconcerting expression. That's Orrin Porter Rockwell. Might want to look for a good escape route before you...
by Keewon
Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Ed Smart comes out as gay
Replies: 30
Views: 1418

Re: Ed Smart comes out as gay

Having been out of the NOM loop for a couple years, I don't know whether the experiences of Josh and Lolly Weed have been talked about here, but if not, this would be a good time to bring them up. The Weeds are a recently divorced mixed-orientation couple, both LDS and marriage counselors, who opene...
by Keewon
Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Encouraging words
Replies: 13
Views: 675

Re: Encouraging words

Palerider, I'm totally fine with your belief. :) If there's one thing I'm pretty sure of, it's that human knowledge is flawed and incomplete enough that there are many questions to which the best and really only justifiable answer is "I don't know". My loss of faith has always felt like the loss of ...
by Keewon
Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New RFM podcast - Tad Callister
Replies: 21
Views: 1201

Re: New RFM podcast - Tad Callister

Hebrew Language? Really? Show me. I had the same question. The very first glimmer I had post-mission that something was scientifically wrong with the BofM was during a class I had at University in cultural linguistics, where we discussed the genetic relations between existing and extinct languages....
by Keewon
Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:55 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New RFM podcast - Tad Callister
Replies: 21
Views: 1201

Re: New RFM podcast - Tad Callister

I'd name ten babies Gomer before I'd name one Tad. I'd have a whole houseful of babies named Gomer - some of them girls even - before I'd even have a single kid I named Tad. In fact, that's what I call people who are being really dumb: "Tad". As in "you're being a real Tad about this, are you brain...
by Keewon
Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Encouraging words
Replies: 13
Views: 675

Re: Encouraging words

So I guess that's a "yes". Just to clarify, if I am honest with myself I have to say that my journey has left me a very unwilling atheist. I find the Christian story of the fall and redemption of mankind, of Christ the light of the world, extremely emotionally compelling. It was the thing I clung t...
by Keewon
Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:40 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Encouraging words
Replies: 13
Views: 675

Re: Encouraging words

Speaking from the POV my erstwhile very Christ-oriented faith, I don't find it at all hard to believe that a Mormon could be saved. If you take King Benjamin's and Abinadi's words seriously, it's Christ who does the saving, and he is more than up to the task. If he's written his name in a person's h...
by Keewon
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Keewon? Is that you?
Replies: 7
Views: 374

Re: Keewon? Is that you?

Thanks for your welcome, Hagoth. I've always loved your icon- it is a perfect image of the ridiculousness of certain Mormon beliefs. I don't believe I will be posting here nearly as often as when NOM was serving as a pressure release valve in my life, but I really do enjoy the quality of conversatio...
by Keewon
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Keewon? Is that you?
Replies: 7
Views: 374

Re: Keewon? Is that you?

Sorry- my last was in response to græy's "A friend of my friend is my friend's friend."

I need to re-learn this formatting thing...
by Keewon
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:12 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Keewon? Is that you?
Replies: 7
Views: 374

Re: Keewon? Is that you?

There are very few things in life one can be absolutely sure of, it seems. A tautology is thankfully one of them.

:)
by Keewon
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Mass disclosure
Replies: 55
Views: 2443

Re: Mass disclosure

So, I started to rapid fire my 99 reasons, I got about 5 items in to the list when DW reached out and touched my arm and said "OK, that's enough." With the help of a kind and open-hearted TBM friend the explanation part has gotten much simpler for me. There is just one really big "item" on my list:...
by Keewon
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Keewon? Is that you?
Replies: 7
Views: 374

Re: Keewon? Is that you?

Hi Red! Yes, it's me. My experience is similar to most of the other old timers'- loved NOM and couldn't live without my daily (hourly, minutely?) fix, NOM disappeared out from under my life, grieved awhile, moved on, then Googling about one day recently I found it alive and kicking, with many of the...