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by Gatorbait
Fri Sep 01, 2023 4:54 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Re-thinking re-dedicating floor for church lawyers
Replies: 4
Views: 12118

Re-thinking re-dedicating floor for church lawyers

Quite a few years ago, a construction firm that I was working for at the time was involved in remodeling the church lawyers digs, which at the time was Kirton McConkie Poelman, and this was before ol' Poelman, who was a stake pres at the time, got caught with his pants down with a male prostitute an...
by Gatorbait
Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:28 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bednar dedication of the Smith home
Replies: 6
Views: 12121

Re: Bednar dedication of the Smith home

Difficult not to be cynical about this sort of thing, so it's best not to try...your comments put a smile on my face for sure. Too bad that keeping the commandments didn't transform into Joseph and Emma's fam staying faithful TBMs that crossed the plains and did all sorts of swell things to build up...
by Gatorbait
Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: LDS approach to history.
Replies: 5
Views: 12208

Re: LDS approach to history.

It has been my experience that true believers in Mormonism have little desire to delve into church history unless it is something that they feel will not be a conflict with the "true" church that they belong to. They have no trouble believing that Lucy Smith, Joseph's mother, who said her son a stoi...
by Gatorbait
Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:55 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Separated vs Divorced
Replies: 6
Views: 7027

Re: Separated vs Divorced

Interesting post Meilingke. You raise an interesting question. Around here in Eastern Idaho though, as divorces are quite easy to get, couples usually go ahead with the divorce and start over. If it is a contested divorce, that's a different matter, but in the end, I don't think people get too hung ...
by Gatorbait
Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A Reasonable God?
Replies: 19
Views: 50586

Re: A Reasonable God?

Reasonable god? Nah. "Offended" with nicknames? As mentioned earlier- nope- Another lie from the church. The names Mormon and LDS got tangled in too many internet and legal webs, so the higher ups had to make up a lie to justify spending a gazillion dollars, changing Mormon LDS this and that. All B....
by Gatorbait
Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Returning Missionary Procedures
Replies: 28
Views: 12927

Re: Returning Missionary Procedures

Interesting post, this. I've re-read most of your posts again and enjoyed them. Some of us who went on full-time missions when we were youngsters had a rewarding experience, I know I did. Was it fun? Not at all; but I met some fine people and learned a bit about getting out of myself and my own ego ...
by Gatorbait
Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:35 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Lying prophets & other leaders
Replies: 6
Views: 6933

Re: Lying prophets & other leaders

Got to chuckle about this. There's a reason that Utah and southeast Idaho are the con capitals of America for get rich and every other scheme. People are brought up to trust people and that's especially true for your beloved church leaders. All one has to do is pray, and by-golly and by-gum, the goo...
by Gatorbait
Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:07 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hello everyone!
Replies: 3
Views: 23563

Re: Hello everyone!

My warmest welcome. Anxious to hear your story.
by Gatorbait
Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:03 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: How do you get your spouse to see that people can still be good after leaving the church?
Replies: 38
Views: 47136

Re: How do you get your spouse to see that people can still be good after leaving the church?

I like this post, liked reading all of your posts as well. One of these days the church will wake up, realize that coffee's not like snorting coke off a Las Vegas whore's hind end (liked that one) and is harmless. As one who's pulled a cork or two over the years, not to access, and drank plenty of c...
by Gatorbait
Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:40 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: Not renewing my temple recommend
Replies: 6
Views: 12771

Re: Not renewing my temple recommend

Integrity. That's the word you used to come to your decision to not renew a thing that holds you in contempt of your own conscience. Your choice is to be honest with yourself, true to the one thing that only you have. Years ago I heard a Janis Joplin quote: "Don't compromise yourself. You're all you...
by Gatorbait
Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:13 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Eckhart Tolle describing NOMs
Replies: 16
Views: 7572

Re: Eckhart Tolle describing NOMs

Great quote. Thank you. We see this ego driven "we are right" attitude in our church no doubt about that, but unfortunately, we seem to it in many places as well, other churches, I remember a Bill Burr bit how he had thought growing up that the church he belonged to was the true and right one and ev...
by Gatorbait
Mon Aug 07, 2023 1:37 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The usefulness of prophets
Replies: 12
Views: 8168

Re: The usefulness of prophets

Listened to Oak's talk, which I liked. Too often people want to be told what to do so that when they do it they feel that they are gaining ground on a reward somehow. The most- very most poignant thing Jos. Smith ever taught, in my opinion, was to teach correct principles and let the people govern t...
by Gatorbait
Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Will race and ethnicity follow us into the afterlife?
Replies: 7
Views: 8037

Re: Will race and ethnicity follow us into the afterlife?

What a great topic. Thank you Red Ryder. Had a Navajo foster sister who was one of the last group with the church sponsored Indian Placement Program. I've kept close to her throughout these almost 45 years. She was and is a deep thinker and I'd consider her one who would be a reliable sound source. ...
by Gatorbait
Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Past Stance Against Christianity
Replies: 10
Views: 8376

Re: Past Stance Against Christianity

Wow, what an interesting and meaningful post. I'm going to give this some serious thought and spend some time researching this topic. BH Roberts has always seemed to be an enigma. Sort of like Eugene England. Exposed enough of Mormonism's warts and dirty parts to make me wonder why they still believ...
by Gatorbait
Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:07 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Is Mormonism Your Motherland?
Replies: 13
Views: 6764

Re: Is Mormonism Your Motherland?

Mormon church was and is no motherland to me. Grew up, as I've mentioned before, not believing in a god, as I could not rap my mind around it. Still can't; sorry. I still try. I pray from time to time. But it has always been hard for me to be a believer. That does not mean I don't believe in some so...
by Gatorbait
Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Doing Good
Replies: 10
Views: 7371

Re: Doing Good

To me, it is easiest to do good or pay it forward if there is no eternal reward attached. The list of "blessings" that come from the stuff that I got spoon fed to me when I was a kid, like going to church, paying tithing, later on going to the temple, all that happy horse sh*t. Nowadays, those thing...
by Gatorbait
Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:42 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Hate vs. Indifference
Replies: 14
Views: 7440

Re: Hate vs. Indifference

Feeling a bit weary today, looking back at what I wrote now seems a bit like whining, and that was not my purpose. The thing is, I was sorely disappointed with the treatment from an small west Idaho ward far removed from Utah. In Utah, I would have not been surprised. There, the things that Angel sa...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:23 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Cost of a Janitor
Replies: 28
Views: 13291

Re: The Cost of a Janitor

First of all, I think there are way too many meeting houses. In my travels to Utah especially, it is a ridiculous waste of resources. That said, I think that the church ought to hire people to clean the churches, at least the large ones. Many times I've gone to clean the church and have not minded d...
by Gatorbait
Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Hate vs. Indifference
Replies: 14
Views: 7440

Hate vs. Indifference

Most of us are familiar with the Elie Wiesel quote, "The opposite of love is not hate, the opposite of love is indifference." Went to Sac mtg and SS today with our TBM son and his wife and family. Small ward in western Idaho. I didn't want to go but since my son was teaching Gospel Doctrine he asked...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:54 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Feelin the feels.
Replies: 18
Views: 7566

Re: Feelin the feels.

Great topic. I agree with you Angel. I also feel a connection. The tap on the shoulder, the tug. Something's there, at least I think so.