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by Gatorbait
Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Prosperity Gospel Condemned by Vatican
Replies: 21
Views: 1819

Re: Prosperity Gospel Condemned by Vatican

Wow, I enjoyed that article. My respect for Pope Francis continues to grow. Never thought I'd say that the Catholic Church is leading the charge to get Christ back into Christianity. The LDS church, on the other hand, has turned into a pitiful glory grab. I know a kind gentleman who was a mission pr...
by Gatorbait
Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene
Replies: 7
Views: 780

Re: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene

Wow, a really thought provoking post. It brings to mind the theory heard many times as I was growing up, that some of the Alpha males or females, in the Church-the leaders- were "warriors" in the pre-mortal existence- Generals, not mere Captains in the war in heaven. Say, how did they fight that war...
by Gatorbait
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Apologists and why I don't care about them anymore
Replies: 16
Views: 1486

Apologists and why I don't care about them anymore

A couple of years ago, I locked horns with Dan Peterson, who is a well known scholar- at least to some- in the LDS Church. My discussion with him stemmed around my not giving any credence to what Jos. Smith's mom Lucy had to say in her book, about the episode regarding Jos. Smith's leg, when he was ...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The brethren's lack of faith
Replies: 12
Views: 1267

Re: The brethren's lack of faith

It is as we have said all along- "pay at that window". They masquerade with the "preparedness" guise, but what they really want is money. Give me your money....God will bless you. Pay to play. We don't care how much faith you have folks- you don't get to go into that building over there unless you p...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:24 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Dan Peterson article mocking those who question the First Vision accounts... pure insanity.
Replies: 13
Views: 1324

Re: New Dan Peterson article mocking those who question the First Vision accounts... pure insanity.

Dan Peterson. He is the poster boy for: 1. Say that you believe in something and figure out how to con someone into believing it. "It is easier to fool someone than than convince them that they have been fooled". (Mark Twain) 2. Bully someone into either believing as he does or dismiss them without ...
by Gatorbait
Tue May 29, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bigfoot the Nephite
Replies: 6
Views: 582

Re: Bigfoot the Nephite

No, I'm not going to wade into the murky Bigfoot waters with you Brent, because I think that if there was such a thing as Bigfoot, some redneck would hunt it down, shoot it, and strap it onto the hood of his pickup truck. But you did a damn fine job of writing this thread noble mon. Takin' my hat of...
by Gatorbait
Tue May 29, 2018 1:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Using truthful facts to deceive
Replies: 5
Views: 708

Re: Using truthful facts to deceive

Interesting word alright- paltering....hmm Words. Remember "Class Clown" by George Carlin? The seven words that you can't say on TV- it came out in the 70's when George Carlin was just getting his momentum of being one of the most original comics of his generation. I'm chuckling to myself as I write...
by Gatorbait
Mon May 28, 2018 1:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On being left out.
Replies: 4
Views: 576

On being left out.

We've bounced around many times, like a beach ball at the beach, the idea that the true and only one and one and only church that is the very one that is true and the onlyest one that is true- that church- ought to be turning out kinder, more loving, accepting, gentle, swell and so on and so forth- ...
by Gatorbait
Thu May 17, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who is the Holy Ghost? It's me!
Replies: 21
Views: 2384

Re: Who is the Holy Ghost? It's me!

Good comments on an interesting difficult topic. I'm agreeing with a lot of stuff I'm reading here. The HG has been this enigma that I've never been satisfied with an answer on from anyone- ever. I put it right up with Mary the Mother of Jesus- who in the world gets pregnant when you are engaged- an...
by Gatorbait
Thu May 10, 2018 2:14 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Scouting is dead
Replies: 11
Views: 1212

Re: Scouting is dead

Never was much of a scouter and I hated like hell when some bozo- my brother included- made their kids get their Eagle badge before they could get their driver's license. Say what you want- the LDS Church is way more organized than the Scouts and will be just fine without them. No more begging for m...
by Gatorbait
Thu May 10, 2018 2:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who woulda thought?
Replies: 8
Views: 917

Re: Who woulda thought?

Brings back memories of about six or so years ago....Kalikala, most of us have felt what you are feeling now. How'd I get sucked into this cuss? The thing is, truth is independent of itself, and we all know that. When an organization has to blast it's "I know the church is true" horn every month and...
by Gatorbait
Sun May 06, 2018 9:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Difference between a NOM and an Exmo
Replies: 14
Views: 1190

Re: Difference between a NOM and an Exmo

Good points made and I've not much to add apart from the few examples that I've seen. 1. Not an ex-mo if you still worry if people in your ward ask you why you don't attend meetings anymore. Ex-mos just don't give a cuss and tell them so. 2. Ex-mos are okay with saying, "I'm not religious", and mean...
by Gatorbait
Tue May 01, 2018 3:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "Guess who's coming to dinner."
Replies: 11
Views: 1193

Re: "Guess who's coming to dinner."

Goofed up on the title and fixed it. Took me a while to figure out how...(sigh) Figured someone would catch it and correct it quicker than ol' Bednar can whip out a comb and a mirror and a can of hair spray. You did alright. What the hell, I'm an idiot. We all seek the truth, but the truth is indepe...
by Gatorbait
Tue May 01, 2018 5:41 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "Guess who's coming to dinner."
Replies: 11
Views: 1193

"Guess who's coming to dinner."

Although I'm an oldster now, I'm not so old that I've forgotten my younger years and a few things that shaped my thinking along the way. In 1967, when I was a mere lad of eleven, a movie came out with a cast of actors who were arguably the best at the trade at the time, Spencer Tracy, Katharine Hepb...
by Gatorbait
Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A philosophical look at God
Replies: 10
Views: 988

Re: A philosophical look at God

First of all, it is interesting to me that when someone comes up idea or personage of God, they seem to immediately discredit anyone else's concept of God. Yesterday I saw, as many of you have probably seen as well, an image of a few grains of salt as seen through an electron microscope. Look it up,...
by Gatorbait
Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: No more resignations??
Replies: 21
Views: 1898

Re: No more resignations??

For me, I don't much see the point of resigning. Nothing to be gained from it that I can see apart from the home teachers don't come a knockin' the last day of the month. I like Bill Burr's analogy/metaphor (why in the hell does metaphor end in ph?) which is the game of curling at the winter Olympic...
by Gatorbait
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:14 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "If God wanted us to believe in him...he'd exist."
Replies: 10
Views: 1002

Re: "If God wanted us to believe in him...he'd exist."

The morning light is filling the valley where I live with the hope of a new day full of peacefulness. Sometimes I marvel at how lucky all of us are to be able to have the freedom of speaking or writing our thoughts on a place such as this. Some of your incites on this topic help to humble me. I see ...
by Gatorbait
Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "If God wanted us to believe in him...he'd exist."
Replies: 10
Views: 1002

"If God wanted us to believe in him...he'd exist."

Either the hair on the back of your neck is sticking up because you think I've crossed the line, or you are smiling, or both. Or neither. Maybe a wrinkled brow. This "If God wanted...." quote is one that's been around a while and I saw it again yesterday, smiled and thought to myself, yeah, that's a...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:32 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: President Monson's Passing
Replies: 36
Views: 2969

Re: President Monson's Passing

We've sort of had some fun with this one....mostly at the expense of those of you who liked the guy. Sorry about that. No offence, but we are trying to be honest here on this sight. If nothing else, we say what we really think. Good or bad- it's at least the truth. The thing is, Monson was unique, a...
by Gatorbait
Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:41 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Cringe Worthy Degrees of TBM Piousness
Replies: 21
Views: 1897

Re: Cringe Worthy Degrees of TBM Piousness

Can't leave this one alone- but for a different reason then some of the earlier posts. It's weird how humans want to gather into groups- not just Mormons- but in everything. Think about it- blacks. We have the guy doing the evening news, and he's polished and smart and we love him right? Wrrrong. He...