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by Gatorbait
Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Stats on members leaving?
Replies: 36
Views: 4459

Re: Stats on members leaving?

Although I've not much to do with the church, apart from going to an occasional baby blessing or the like, I see no need to officially resign. What's the point? There's nothing that can come of it that serves any purpose says I. As my dear departed Dad used to say "It's all bull s***". I agree. Anyt...
by Gatorbait
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mormon Funerals (not the TSM one)
Replies: 20
Views: 1587

Re: Mormon Funerals (not the TSM one)

Thought provoking post, and one I enjoyed. Thank you RH. Funerals are difficult in the LDS culture because the attendees claim they "know" that the deceased is now in a better place. (sigh) The big event funeral for Monson was advertised on TV last night. On TV mind you. This smacks of everything Je...
by Gatorbait
Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:10 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bart Erhman
Replies: 18
Views: 2132

Re: Bart Erhman

Bart Erhman....the beginning of the end of my belief in Christianity started when I read, twice, the book " Misquoting Jesus". It was about ten years ago. Shattered my belief in the bible. The question then remained- if the bible was phony, how about the rest of religion. I read a bunch of C.S. Lewi...
by Gatorbait
Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: President Monson's Passing
Replies: 36
Views: 3723

Re: President Monson's Passing

With all due respect to those who liked Monson, I will say this: I did not. Reasons: 1. His sing-song voice drove me batty. 2. He told stories that I thought were embellished. One I know was because I knew the circumstances and he got it wrong. 3. He led the charge to "Let's go shopping" at the mall...
by Gatorbait
Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:16 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sealing Cancellation
Replies: 18
Views: 2193

Re: Sealing Cancellation

Whoa, this is some scary stuff folks. The term “You can be right, or you can be happy” really applies here. Your friend shows a lot of maturity but it is difficult to imagine how it would be to live with someone so steeped in what they “know” is right for her nine children. A forty five minute conve...
by Gatorbait
Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:49 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What about the Bible?
Replies: 9
Views: 960

What about the Bible?

Couple years ago- maybe more- the LDS church (I refuse to call them "The Church" any more) tried a PR move to show that they were swell folks and were not a bunch of snobs that favored a particular type of underwear and refused to drink coffee or admit that it's not bad for you. Anyway, I ramble at ...
by Gatorbait
Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What I learned from David Bednar
Replies: 25
Views: 2931

Re: What I learned from David Bednar

Bednar's never been one of my faves and it stems around one thing and one only. At a question and answer session he opened the meeting up with, "I'll try my best to answer the questions, but sometimes it will be 'I don't know'. That said, I won't even try to answer questions like, 'where is the swor...
by Gatorbait
Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:35 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: We are all enlisted
Replies: 8
Views: 1292

Re: We are all enlisted

There’s what, over forty thousand religions in the world? Something like that, they are like diseases- they exist, but we don’t know what they all are, where they all are, or how they came to be in the first place- let alone the cure. Really- where did all these diseases come from. God? The devil? N...
by Gatorbait
Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Biggest Damage done...
Replies: 2
Views: 583

Re: The Biggest Damage done...

Wow, you have been through a lot noble one. I see you have a lot of courage, which is good. Never had any use for Pres. Kimball's book. It is just a story- his story- but that does not make it true. Same with Bednar, and frankly the same with anyone. We each have a story to tell, and if it is true, ...
by Gatorbait
Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Indian Placement Program - New Perpectives
Replies: 5
Views: 1053

Re: Indian Placement Program - New Perpectives

First of all, I think that the Indian Placement Program was born of good intentions. President Kimball was doing his best to do what the Book of Mormon asked him and the LDS church to do. When President Kimball died, so died the Indian/Lamanite programs. The reason? Return on investment. The Indians...
by Gatorbait
Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The token gay guy
Replies: 8
Views: 1035

Re: The token gay guy

Like some of the rest of you, when I heard about Tom Cristofferson, and heard his story I had a deep respect for him. Seemed like a genuine nice guy and I was happy that he had found his middle ground and happiness in being gay and accepting it. At the time I first heard of him, though I'm not certa...
by Gatorbait
Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Do you believe in God?
Replies: 17
Views: 1652

Do you believe in God?

As a youngster, growing up in a time when the Second World War was fresh on the minds of my parents, both of whom served in the military during the war and saw awful things, I often heard this line, "There are no atheists in fox holes". Of course I knew what fox holes this was pertaining to, those t...
by Gatorbait
Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: My Overgrown Front Yard
Replies: 9
Views: 1227

Re: My Overgrown Front Yard

Sometimes I go months without looking at NOM. Seems like most of the topics get resurrected again and again, but not in this case. This is an original and thought provoking thread, in my opinion, and this is how I see it being something a lot of us can learn from. First, it is not better in all case...
by Gatorbait
Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:44 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: How to have the talk
Replies: 30
Views: 4777

Re: How to have the talk

It sort of depends on if your beloved is open minded or not. Even still, it's a difficult situation because Mormons are taught at very young age by those they love the most that they are the lucky ones to be "born underneath a cov-net". It's not difficult to see why people stay. They like the relati...
by Gatorbait
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks. So sad.
Replies: 34
Views: 4123

Re: Elder Oaks. So sad.

Elder Oaks is one of the smartest of the general authorities. If you have spent time around him as some of us have, you realize that this fellow is- or has been brilliant. He really helped launch "Dialogue, a Journal of Mormon Thought". He has a fresh uncluttered mind then. Sweet man with a good hea...
by Gatorbait
Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Are TBMs just stupid?....does the thirst for power go that far?
Replies: 15
Views: 1808

Re: Are TBMs just stupid?....does the thirst for power go that far?

Seems to me that religion in general has become popular with many small-minded folk. There are and have been many brilliant people in the church- JS being one and brother Brig. Smart. Although they, in my opinion, used the church and the membership to bolster their egos and take beautiful women to b...
by Gatorbait
Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple work for the dead
Replies: 36
Views: 3772

Re: Temple work for the dead

I totally agree that temple work is pretty silly, though I hesitate to use that word, but I never bought into it. There are those who find a great deal of happiness though, feeling that they are doing something worthwhile and I am happy that they find happiness that way. As someone else said, the te...
by Gatorbait
Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why there is so much shame in Mormonism
Replies: 33
Views: 3476

Re: Why there is so much shame in Mormonism

Can't speak for the rest of you, but one of the things I found most hard to believe in regards to religion, was that there was a god that was happy to reward you if you were good, heaven, but just as willing to send you to an awful place, hot, brimstone, the devil, all the scary stuff- hell. Well I ...
by Gatorbait
Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:45 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Friend's wife gives him the old heave-ho
Replies: 14
Views: 1819

Friend's wife gives him the old heave-ho

Spent the last couple of days with a long-time friend. He's a lifelong Mormon, has never smoked, drank, all the no nos- he's stayed away from that. Pays tithing, has had plenty of callings. Super active guy his entire life. He never cheated on his wife, who he'd married in the temple over twenty fiv...
by Gatorbait
Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:06 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Living to wait for death
Replies: 22
Views: 2313

Re: Living to wait for death

The saddest part about this article is not that the author built up the afterlife as something special, but how she managed, from the very beginning of the article, to run herself down by implying that she didn't quite measure up compared to the rest of the overachievers in her life. Pitiful. The th...