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by Gatorbait
Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: My Overgrown Front Yard
Replies: 9
Views: 706

Re: My Overgrown Front Yard

Sometimes I go months without looking at NOM. Seems like most of the topics get resurrected again and again, but not in this case. This is an original and thought provoking thread, in my opinion, and this is how I see it being something a lot of us can learn from. First, it is not better in all case...
by Gatorbait
Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:44 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: How to have the talk
Replies: 30
Views: 3152

Re: How to have the talk

It sort of depends on if your beloved is open minded or not. Even still, it's a difficult situation because Mormons are taught at very young age by those they love the most that they are the lucky ones to be "born underneath a cov-net". It's not difficult to see why people stay. They like the relati...
by Gatorbait
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Oaks. So sad.
Replies: 34
Views: 2556

Re: Elder Oaks. So sad.

Elder Oaks is one of the smartest of the general authorities. If you have spent time around him as some of us have, you realize that this fellow is- or has been brilliant. He really helped launch "Dialogue, a Journal of Mormon Thought". He has a fresh uncluttered mind then. Sweet man with a good hea...
by Gatorbait
Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Are TBMs just stupid?....does the thirst for power go that far?
Replies: 15
Views: 1207

Re: Are TBMs just stupid?....does the thirst for power go that far?

Seems to me that religion in general has become popular with many small-minded folk. There are and have been many brilliant people in the church- JS being one and brother Brig. Smart. Although they, in my opinion, used the church and the membership to bolster their egos and take beautiful women to b...
by Gatorbait
Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Temple work for the dead
Replies: 36
Views: 2618

Re: Temple work for the dead

I totally agree that temple work is pretty silly, though I hesitate to use that word, but I never bought into it. There are those who find a great deal of happiness though, feeling that they are doing something worthwhile and I am happy that they find happiness that way. As someone else said, the te...
by Gatorbait
Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why there is so much shame in Mormonism
Replies: 33
Views: 2215

Re: Why there is so much shame in Mormonism

Can't speak for the rest of you, but one of the things I found most hard to believe in regards to religion, was that there was a god that was happy to reward you if you were good, heaven, but just as willing to send you to an awful place, hot, brimstone, the devil, all the scary stuff- hell. Well I ...
by Gatorbait
Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:45 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Friend's wife gives him the old heave-ho
Replies: 14
Views: 1426

Friend's wife gives him the old heave-ho

Spent the last couple of days with a long-time friend. He's a lifelong Mormon, has never smoked, drank, all the no nos- he's stayed away from that. Pays tithing, has had plenty of callings. Super active guy his entire life. He never cheated on his wife, who he'd married in the temple over twenty fiv...
by Gatorbait
Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:06 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Living to wait for death
Replies: 22
Views: 1476

Re: Living to wait for death

The saddest part about this article is not that the author built up the afterlife as something special, but how she managed, from the very beginning of the article, to run herself down by implying that she didn't quite measure up compared to the rest of the overachievers in her life. Pitiful. The th...
by Gatorbait
Wed May 31, 2017 2:37 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Attorney Friend Leaves Church--Shelf Nuked
Replies: 15
Views: 1188

Re: Attorney Friend Leaves Church--Shelf Nuked

Now comes the difficult part for your friend. We know it all too well. 1. Family talks about you in hushed tones. They are sad you lost your way. 2. You find out about baby blessing, baptisms and the like after the fact. No point having you there if you can't participate. 3. Your neighbors are unabl...
by Gatorbait
Wed May 10, 2017 2:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Curious "Word of Wisdom" Question
Replies: 20
Views: 1555

Re: Curious "Word of Wisdom" Question

It is difficult for me not to be cynical when it comes to certain Mormonistic points of view. First of all- the church seems to have left the curb some time ago, and has been walking the street of the "corporation". That means "pay to play". The temple. Pay at that window if you want in. Period. Of ...
by Gatorbait
Thu May 04, 2017 3:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What would make you change your mind?
Replies: 59
Views: 3828

Re: What would make you change your mind?

We could all have some fun with this, but I'm going to keep it in a serious tone. First of all, I am encouraged by the movement in the LDS church with the "Just Serve" movement. I love it. We really don't need a church to advise us that our happiness depends on our willingness to serve our fellow hu...
by Gatorbait
Wed May 03, 2017 3:35 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Every knee shall bow.
Replies: 6
Views: 797

Re: Every knee shall bow.

First of all, how or why would an ambassador of peace, kindness, love and everything good want anyone to bow down to them? Perhaps the most revered and talked about, Jesus & Buddha would have none of that nonsense. Jesus was a Jew, lived among Jews, and yet he made it a point to include everyone and...
by Gatorbait
Mon May 01, 2017 3:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Hopi burying weapons??
Replies: 26
Views: 2236

Re: Hopi burying weapons??

Well, I must say, I struggle to see how this could have much truth to it. Does not make sense. For one who has lived on the Hopi reservation and done work for and with the Hopis and the Tewas in Arizona for years this story sounds strange indeed. They are and have been a peace loving people for over...
by Gatorbait
Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:03 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Arriving home- a perilous journey
Replies: 1
Views: 384

Arriving home- a perilous journey

Some years back, I sat in the congregation of a typical Priesthood meeting in a ward house. After the announcements and opening comments from a member of the bishopric, a young man, a boy really, a deacon, rose, approached the podium (we were in the chapel at the time), folded his arms, bowed his he...
by Gatorbait
Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Did Jesus exist?
Replies: 14
Views: 1558

Re: Did Jesus exist?

Interesting question. Years ago, I stumbled upon a book written by Bart Ehrman called "Misquoting Jesus". I read the book through, and then again. According to him, the Bible was one huge contradiction. There was no evidence of any original script. No Pauline letters. No copies of original script. Y...
by Gatorbait
Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:30 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Resigned September 8, 2010
Replies: 4
Views: 817

Re: Resigned September 8, 2010

Great letter JustCurious. You've got my respect. Many years ago, when a friend of mine disassociated himself from the LDS church I asked him if he was still a member. He said that he'd not officially resigned, but that his membership did not exist on his own terms, and that he couldn't care less if ...
by Gatorbait
Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:50 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: April ensign article
Replies: 15
Views: 1663

Re: April ensign article

Nothing new here, same old worn out line, do as I say and you go to heaven, otherwise the devil has you in his evil clutches. Cast the blame on someone or something else. What were the lines of the folk song? "Go ahead and hate your neighbor, Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it in the name of heaven,...
by Gatorbait
Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On admitting when you're wrong
Replies: 14
Views: 1699

Re: On admitting when you're wrong

Just Curious wrote,"And remember, this applies to you, to me, and to everybody. We *all* believe we are 100% right, 100% of the time. And this, of course, creates quite a barrier in correcting our misconceptions about *anything*." With all do respect, I don't see it that way, whether or not you were...
by Gatorbait
Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:16 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On admitting when you're wrong
Replies: 14
Views: 1699

Re: On admitting when you're wrong

Some good comments here, and I agree with all of them. I especially liked Moksha's short comment. The thing is, many of us were taught at an impressionable age, that we should avoid or correct any evil. We were told that we should avoid even the appearance of evil. We have heard the stories..."Don't...
by Gatorbait
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:27 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On admitting when you're wrong
Replies: 14
Views: 1699

On admitting when you're wrong

All the religions that I've had anything to do with, and I will add to that, any society that I've been aware of, agrees that it is immoral, and basically wrong to lie about something, or to steal or cheat. Not only that, but once it is discovered that an untruth exists, moral people overwhelmingly ...