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by Gatorbait
Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Native Americans from Middle East
Replies: 6
Views: 845

Re: Native Americans from Middle East

Interesting stuff here, that's for sure. For some of us who don't know a whole lot about DNA, apart from the stuff we have gleaned from a few sources, some more reliable than others, it seems strange that a group of LDS intellectuals still refuse to set the Book of Mormon aside, pat its head, and le...
by Gatorbait
Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 40 stakes in Holland
Replies: 24
Views: 2380

Re: 40 stakes in Holland

I think you nailed it wtfluff.
by Gatorbait
Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 40 stakes in Holland
Replies: 24
Views: 2380

Re: 40 stakes in Holland

It is sobering to see statistics like these, but not surprising. No growth means what? The people are too wicked? Not humble? Won't listen to God's words? Fortyfive years ago, when someone went to Europe on a mission, the hope of having the opportunity to baptize a family was rare. Most had little s...
by Gatorbait
Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How John Spong damaged my wife's testimony
Replies: 12
Views: 1304

Re: How John Spong damaged my wife's testimony

Years ago I stumbled onto a book that he'd written, "Jesus for the Nonreligious" and I thought he was on new and better path for Christians. He was refreshingly candid about the possibility that the Bible was simply a collection of stories, and even though the stories had been accepted by the Christ...
by Gatorbait
Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Top three prophetic actions or statements
Replies: 17
Views: 1710

Re: Top three prophetic actions or statements

How about pigeons? The great pigeon prophecies....
by Gatorbait
Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why no big party?
Replies: 22
Views: 2284

Re: Why no big party?

Maybe some of the things that we'd hope to see changed in the church is actually taking place. Think of the thousands of dollars spent each year on the parade in Salt Lake City on the 24th of July. Sure it is fun, but at what cost? Perhaps hundreds of thousands of hours from volunteers and money to ...
by Gatorbait
Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Epiphany #1 - genealogy
Replies: 9
Views: 1117

Re: Epiphany #1 - genealogy

Whoever first said or penned, "Genealogy- the work for the dead, by the half-dead", or words to that effect, summed up the lack of need for genealogy to me. Had no use for it then, and less now. No one cares if your uncle was the first one to play the organ for the pumpernickel choir. No one cares t...
by Gatorbait
Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: When is a first vision not first and not a vision?
Replies: 15
Views: 1987

Re: When is a first vision not first and not a vision?

The story of the first vision is just that- a story. People love stories, and stories then and now might be based on facts, but that does not make them true. We might ought to put this first vision story in that context. All four published versions....that I know of. When someone tells me that they ...
by Gatorbait
Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:43 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Sealed Plates
Replies: 34
Views: 2183

Re: The Sealed Plates

This sealed portion business never did make a lick of sense. The weight of the gold plates with the dimensions given by Jos. Smith would be about 200 pounds. This from an article in the Ensign some time back. Hmm, 200-lbs. Most people could not even budge the thing, but no prob-lem-o for Jos. Smith....
by Gatorbait
Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:48 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Great book that covers a lot of issues
Replies: 7
Views: 1063

Re: Great book that covers a lot of issues

Long ago, before we had computers, the first Diologue" book was published. One of the founders and editors, Francis Menlove, contributed the excellent article entitled "The Challenge of Honesty", and with that one article, the NOM movement was started - at least in my opinion. You can download the a...
by Gatorbait
Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Tithing is mandatory, the rest is a choice
Replies: 4
Views: 677

Re: Tithing is mandatory, the rest is a choice

For some of us who do not pay a penny of tithing anymore, it is easier to objective about it. We see two distinct groups evolving in the church; those who were born into the faith and converted whilst very young and impressionable, by those who they trust, that the church is true, infallible, and so...
by Gatorbait
Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Inaugurational prayers
Replies: 9
Views: 1127

Re: Inaugurational prayers

These prayers seem silly to me as well. As if a god or a million gods are interested in watching over Donald Trump while a child somewhere in the world is dying of hunger every few seconds. Somewhere there is a teenage mother giving birth to a baby which will have a disease which will take both thei...
by Gatorbait
Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: George A. Smith: Liar for Zion
Replies: 19
Views: 2073

Re: George A. Smith: Liar for Zion

It is difficult not to question almost any story from Mormon history before the invention of modern recording equipment. After all, every thing invented by every religion that has ever existed began with a story.....but it does not mean the story is true. For the most part George Smith was no differ...