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by Hagoth
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:05 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: #givethanks
Replies: 54
Views: 15686

Re: #givethanks

I thought about this a lot while watching. It was an argument from authority. He helped develop some tools and techniques for surgery; therefore, you should accept him as a representative of God. It was a non-sequitur. Let's not forget that Ben Carson is a skilled brain surgeon who believes absolut...
by Hagoth
Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?
Replies: 659
Views: 459082

Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

The modern history of medical masks began not as a way to stop viruses, but as a way to keep spit from falling when surgeons talked as they operated. Masks help to stop spit, but obviously they do not stop people from breathing in or out thus they don’t stop respiratory virus spread. What masks do ...
by Hagoth
Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 46
Replies: 5
Views: 2021

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 46

Good stuff, ABoM! I like the Etruscan example and I added it to my BoM DNA annotated essay. You touch on another point that I have mentioned before because it was one of my first indicators that Book of Mormon apologists are dishonest. Ether, as you pointed out, explicitly claims that the Jaredites ...
by Hagoth
Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: #givethanks
Replies: 54
Views: 15686

Re: #givethanks

The part of this talk that I had a problem with was when Pres. Nelson referred to himself twice as, "a man of science." I present the following evidence to the contrary: To think that man evolved from one species to another is, to me, incomprehensible. Man has always been man. Dogs have always been ...
by Hagoth
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:49 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: #givethanks
Replies: 54
Views: 15686

Re: #givethanks

Just had a thought.... Suppose OAKS was the World faith leader at this time. How would his message have been different? Even if it was word-for-word the same it wouldn't seem sincere. If it had been Bednar, somehow he would have found a way to put the blame for the virus on the members of the church.
by Hagoth
Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: #givethanks
Replies: 54
Views: 15686

Re: #givethanks

My thought is: what breaking controversy or scandal is this covering up for? If not, its just attention seeking and self validation. It was an attempt to answer to the question everybody's been asking themselves (but not daring to say out loud): Why isn't the prophet, seer, revelator, and mouthpiec...
by Hagoth
Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 44
Replies: 9
Views: 3622

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 44

Second, according to this passage, the Nephites did write more of Jesus' words on another set of plates, but that was not passed down to us, even though the BoM is written specifically for our day? They wrote it down and then just buried it somewhere, never to be seen again? Talk about hiding your ...
by Hagoth
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:42 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: #givethanks
Replies: 54
Views: 15686

Re: #givethanks

Doesn't sound like there was much prophet-ing, or seer-ing, or revelate-ing going on. As a non-believer you would get the loud and clear message, "hey, I'm obviously not a prophet, but don't make the mistake of thinking I'm also not a concerned and sensitive guy." He focused a large part of the mes...
by Hagoth
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: #givethanks
Replies: 54
Views: 15686

Re: #givethanks

Wait, so during the talk people could tweet messages and they showed up on the screen? Yup. It was a parade of virtue signaling. The best part was people telling other people to stop typing and actually listen to what he was saying, which is doubly humorous because they had to stop listening to him...
by Hagoth
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:16 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: #givethanks
Replies: 54
Views: 15686

#givethanks

I thought it was a pretty good message. I like that he invited everyone to pray along with him. Also that they at least showed people wearing masks, even if he couldn't go quite so far as to actually say it. The stream of comments was mostly "We thank thee oh God for a Prophet!!!!" But my favorite w...
by Hagoth
Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 44
Replies: 9
Views: 3622

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 44

As Jacob explained, he could only write a little of his words because of how difficult it was to engrave them on plates (Jacob 4:1). This is a great point that has never been adequately addressed by apologists. We have things like Ether's genealogy, the ultra-detailed and completely useless explana...
by Hagoth
Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:05 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: BOM and LOTR (Lord of the Rings)
Replies: 8
Views: 3447

Re: BOM and LOTR (Lord of the Rings)

Did you know there is still no good easy name to refer to the people formerly called Mormon? Residents of Mordor or "ROM" would make a workable substitute. I dunno, Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints rolls right off the tongue. Maybe we could fulfill RMN's admonition to keep...
by Hagoth
Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:55 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Holding in-person church in spite of COVID restrictions here in the midwest...
Replies: 12
Views: 3775

Re: Holding in-person church in spite of COVID restrictions here in the midwest...

Has anybody heard the name Satan associated with COVID yet? As in "Satan is using COVID to weaken your faith and keep you from attending church?"
by Hagoth
Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:59 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Public Perception and Church Image
Replies: 11
Views: 4635

Re: Public Perception and Church Image

Red Ryder wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:53 am
1. Equal representation of men and women in church leadership.
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That would require a dismantling down to the component atoms and complete rebuilding. It would be awesome but it wouldn't be recognizable as Mormonism any more (to which I say Woohoo!)
by Hagoth
Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:45 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Broke Back Church
Replies: 1
Views: 1298

Re: Broke Back Church

To have your perfect mormon missionary experience you must be willing to destroy so many who can not conform and come home early. You must be willing to cause trama in others so you can rejoice that you finished. Not to mention potentially destroying other peoples' family relationships by convertin...
by Hagoth
Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:37 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 45
Replies: 14
Views: 4272

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 45

wtfluff wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:11 pm
RELEASE THE KRAK-ONI-HA!!!!
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by Hagoth
Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 45
Replies: 14
Views: 4272

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 45

Hey ABoM,

Forget about all of your cynical numbers and calculations, the official church website provides us a schematic of the actual layout of the barges:
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by Hagoth
Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 45
Replies: 14
Views: 4272

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 45

I know I've mentioned this before, but Joseph Smith saw Jaredite Barges routinely travelling along the Erie Canal:
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by Hagoth
Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 45
Replies: 14
Views: 4272

Re: If I could ask them one question . . . Come Follow Me, Lesson 45

Stop the presses! I think I figured out both the door problem and the reason they needed bees: https://youtu.be/V-RAsj6tIVo?t=50 Haha! another unlikely story, but the one you offer is very entertaining. I must have seen this as a kid, because it makes me feel very nostalgic. Mysterious Island. I'm ...
by Hagoth
Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Letters to the Slackers
Replies: 16
Views: 6207

Re: Letters to the Slackers

ow, I have virtual ward council, 1 hour sacrament, 1 hour virtual gospel doctrine or EQ, 1 hour of herding primary kids around a computer screen for virtual primary, followed by phone calls for ministering interviews. That's right, I'm basically back to the three hour block at best. Yikes. My Zoom ...