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- Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:47 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
- Replies: 85
- Views: 51481
Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Just for clarification, I wasn't implying that anything untoward was going to happen with my granddaughter. I'm not implying that she is at risk of attack from a transgender individual. What I'm saying is that she wouldn't understand or feel comfortable with someone that she perceived as a man in a...
- Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:06 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
- Replies: 100
- Views: 50258
Re: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
Or, paraphrasing Paul: "When I grew up I put away childish things"Red Ryder wrote:Perhaps “I grew up!” works too.
- Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:51 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
- Replies: 127
- Views: 62878
Re: Terryl Givens steps into the BoA ring
Gag! Oathlike allegiance sounds so much like the several BYU scholars who now refer to themselves as Disciple scholars who perform disciple scholarship. What the hell is that?! Disciple scholarship??? :lol: In other words, to give a loose translation, we will end up where the leaders end up in conc...
- Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:39 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
- Replies: 85
- Views: 51481
Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
It is not normal to be transgendered according to the LDS culture. Then leave the LDS culture. Problem solved. Except even then the problem is not solved. The LDS church uses its political muscle to impose its doctrinal views on members and nonmembers alike, as with Proposition 8. LGBT+ aren't dema...
- Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:41 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: RFM--"Unanswered Prayers"
- Replies: 5
- Views: 2973
Re: RFM--"Unanswered Prayers"
It seems to me there's a selective bias that takes place even in peoples' own memories of their prayers. Memories of past events tend to change to confirm our current beliefs. There is also a huge bias in what gets passed along in church. If a person prays, thinks s/he gets an answer and the answer ...
- Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:56 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
- Replies: 85
- Views: 51481
Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Personally, I hope my lesbian, autistic spectrum daughter is still lesbian and on the autism spectrum, because that is who she is. I don’t want her fixed. Oh, when she was an impossible toddler, yeah I wanted her fixed before I killed her. I hope my color blind son gets to choose if he wants to sta...
- Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:31 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
- Replies: 85
- Views: 51481
Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
Sorry-- I meant "since they have to work harder to become parents", adoption and all that.Keewon wrote:since they have to work harder to be parents
- Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:52 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
- Replies: 85
- Views: 51481
Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
The participation in Earth or temporal life effects EVERY aspect of the human experience. So why should the gender issue be an exception? Whether it is the body or the brain/mind, everything is subject to imperfection in this life. The only hope we have is that a just God will make all whole again ...
- Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:24 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
- Replies: 85
- Views: 51481
Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
But the church sees it as they are born into the correct body, but their evil tendencies make them want to defy God and be the opposite sex. Even if they are XY but have a female body, well that can’t be that they are insensitive to male hormones, they want to be male because they are defying God. ...
- Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:27 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: So God... Ya Wanna Come Out and Play?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 3382
Re: So God... Ya Wanna Come Out and Play?
They also take note of the world renowned physicist Richard Feynman, and several of his hilarious antics, which you can and ought to read more about in the book Surely You’re Joking Mr. Feynman! That is one of my favorite books of all time. Read it to my children once on a family vacation to Califo...
- Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:52 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
- Replies: 85
- Views: 51481
Re: Elder Oaks Defines "Gender" for Us - In His Usual Bigoted Way
IMO, everyone interested in gender studies should read about the infamous "John / Joan" study, investigated by Dr. Milton Diamond of the Pacific Center for Sex and Society at the University of Hawaii. Dr. Diamond made a huge mark when he shined the light on a dangerously wrongheaded experiment by ps...
- Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:16 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Areas where science has forced the church to change their story/approach/whatever?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 17896
Re: Areas where science has forced the church to change their story/approach/whatever?
Evolution, to a certain extent. “The Church has no official position on the theory of evolution. Organic evolution, or changes to species’ inherited traits over time, is a matter for scientific study. Nothing has been revealed concerning evolution. Though the details of what happened on earth befor...
- Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:08 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Areas where science has forced the church to change their story/approach/whatever?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 17896
Re: Areas where science has forced the church to change their story/approach/whatever?
This one really is being changed by science because we now have excellent medical record keeping that can be used to clearly demonstrate that Utah's disease recovery rates are no better than anywhere else. One thing I find fascinating -- and I'm not looking this up before I post so forgive in advan...
- Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:10 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
- Replies: 100
- Views: 50258
Re: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
Many years ago I woke up one day, walked to the bathroom in my G’s and caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror and thought “oh God! wtf am I wearing?” A few years ago I woke up one day, walked to the bathroom in my colorful boxers and caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror and thought “I’m creat...
- Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:22 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
- Replies: 100
- Views: 50258
Re: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
My abbreviated version is geared more toward my last Stake President who was a hard-nosed lawyer by profession (who unjustly accused me of all sorts of waywardness) or my BIL who was a lifetime military man used to taking command in any situation and giving orders. That makes sense. And the blunt-n...
- Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:11 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
- Replies: 100
- Views: 50258
Re: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
"I don't think you're prepared to have this conversation with me..." Ouch. Zing. 'Doctor!' TBMs run full Dunning-Kruger, thinking they see the light and you don't, that you have been lied to, etc. They think they're the ones who get it and you don't. I understand this attitude- I've been there. How...
- Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:26 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
- Replies: 100
- Views: 50258
Re: A one-liner that captures your disaffection
How about this: "Science, viewed objectively, discredits the Church's claim that JS was a prophet." If there were just one teaching that he probably could not have gotten right without being a prophet, that actually turned out to be right when all the evidence was gathered and weighed, it would be d...
- Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:59 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Terryl Givens new Video on Book of Abraham With Kerry Muhlestein
- Replies: 9
- Views: 4657
Re: Terryl Givens new Video on Book of Abraham With Kerry Muhlestein
*Sigh* I just don't have the energy to keep up with the endless tap dancing. As I've said before, I would just love if Givans (and his ilk) would sit still long enough to answer a couple of questions: "If the JS papyri turned out to recognizably be what JS claimed them to be, would that be scientif...
- Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:38 pm
- Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
- Topic: Mr. and Mrs. Græy's Stuff
- Replies: 70
- Views: 85789
Re: Mr. and Mrs. Græy's Stuff
In the past she was never willing to admit that evolution might be a thing because that would mean she'd have to draw a line between one generation being "children of God with eternal potential" and "apes." I well remember a conversation with one of the bishop's "science friends" on that topic. His...
- Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:31 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path
- Replies: 38
- Views: 20816
Re: Feeling Forced to Choose a Path
Your wife KNOWS that if a person digs into church history, they will find all kinds of problems that say the church might not be what it claims, but she knows the church is true. Wow, just wow! She knows good and well the church isn’t true like it claims, but the church is still true, like it claim...