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by Palerider
Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On admitting when you're wrong
Replies: 14
Views: 9539

Re: On admitting when you're wrong

But historians have uncovered all sorts of facts that these people, who were members of the Church, murdered innocent men, women and children. Murdered in cold blood. They were ordered to do it- commanded to do it. The Church knows this. How could the one and only true and living church allow someo...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Independence Zion
Replies: 25
Views: 15328

Re: Independence Zion

From Wiki: "Ownership of the property later became the subject of court challenges among some sects of the Latter Day Saint movement that arose from the succession crisis following Smith's assassination, most notably between the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) and the Community of Christ, formerly kno...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Independence Zion
Replies: 25
Views: 15328

Re: Independence Zion

I thought that the "temple lot" church (Hedrickites) owns the dedicated land for the temple. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ_(Temple_Lot) Is this in debate as to whether it is THE actual spot? I was thinking the same thing. There was a law suit back in the early or mid part of the ...
by Palerider
Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:17 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The First Vision
Replies: 14
Views: 10074

Re: The Firt Vision

Wait. So the theory of the godhead was developer in 1893_1894 and then in 1911 by Talmage, Widstoe, and BH Roberts...mind blown. The holy ghost was not considered to be part of the godhead until this time? See the references from the mormon free radio. This academic research work was done by BYU pr...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The First Vision
Replies: 14
Views: 10074

Re: The Firt Vision

At rhe end of the day Latter-day Saints aren't worried about which church is true, they're terrified of losing their salvation through the simplest acts. Joseph apparently suffered much the same. So which narrative would your company embrace? I've come to the conclusion that Joseph used the confusi...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The First Vision
Replies: 14
Views: 10074

Re: The Firt Vision

Brent wrote:
Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:22 pm
Wait. Belief systems aren't internally consistant? Mind blown.
Feel free to expand........ :)
by Palerider
Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:34 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The First Vision
Replies: 14
Views: 10074

Re: The Firt Vision

Respectfully, I'm not as convinced as you seem to be that these statements quoted from the bible haven't gone through the same evolutionary process as the first vision narrative. The LDS approach to the Bible seems to be one of cherry picking what supports their doctrine and then spinning, re-inter...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Standing Strong In Tough Times
Replies: 15
Views: 14371

Re: Standing Strong In Tough Times

Keep the Sabbath Day holy and honor the Priesthood Make and keep sacred covenants Continuously repent and plead with the Lord to receive forgiveness of our sins Work on family history and attend the temple Pray and serve and testify and exercise faith in Jesus Christ Immerse ourselves in the holy s...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The First Vision
Replies: 14
Views: 10074

Re: The Firt Vision

I'm sticking with the Biblical scriptures here, Exodus 33:20: "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time.." Obviously there were times when men in the past stated figuratively that they had "seen" God. I think the Apostle John ...
by Palerider
Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: On admitting when you're wrong
Replies: 14
Views: 9539

Re: On admitting when you're wrong

That said, if a church or a people who call themselves honest, and true, even more honest and worthy and good than anyone else- if that is the case, why is it so difficult for a church or a people who, when they find out that they have been lied to or cheated out of time or money or whatever else- ...
by Palerider
Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2nd Coming, why is it hardly mentioned anymore?
Replies: 27
Views: 17315

Re: The 2nd Coming, why is it hardly mentioned anymore?

After visiting the website mentioned above (Redeem Zion) I couldn't find any active links stating what the individual who created the site was planning on doing to redeem zion. It just leaves you hanging. Lots of bravado and no suggestion or clue as to where they're going from here. I wonder do thes...
by Palerider
Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 13793

Re: Showing some skin

" when women didn't dress "slutty", men still found ways to objectify women's body parts! I've heard of men in very fundamentalist Muslim countries also getting hot & bothered by ankles...almost suggesting that maybe how women dress doesn't have that much to do with viewing them as sex objects? But...
by Palerider
Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2nd Coming, why is it hardly mentioned anymore?
Replies: 27
Views: 17315

Re: The 2nd Coming, why is it hardly mentioned anymore?

I think the year 2000 also had a big although subtle impact on Mormon thinking. It was like there was this big build up because of revelations about the 7th seal being opened as the millennium changed and when that didn't occur many, including those in leadership had to step back and take a hard loo...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 13793

Re: Showing some skin

The WoW is so obviously a relic of the nineteenth century. Indeed, were it written today, it would decry sugar and transfats and emphasize the importance of exercise. Maybe we'd spend sacrament meeting on the treadmill... I don’t mean to be disparaging of weight gain. I'm a normal weight for my hei...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 13793

Re: Showing some skin

Perhaps this is an oversimplification, but from my perspective in my current social circle, there are few acceptable means of self-expression for women. Taking care of one’s body and one’s attractiveness are appropriate and I know many women who do this to what I consider an extreme. I say extreme ...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 13793

Re: Showing some skin

You and I are undoubtedly from different generations. I'm heading into my mid-sixties and have been very happily married for 41 years. Some here who remember me from the former board know that I'm fairly conservative but I have empathy for those who may not be believers. I don't blame them for the w...
by Palerider
Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 13793

Re: Showing some skin

And Palerider, those generalizations were generalizations. But most men have an attractiveness level below which they will not go. There just isn't any attraction. But once a woman meets his attractiveness threshold, then he looks for other traits, such as intelligence. Because that is a factor in ...
by Palerider
Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 13793

Re: Showing some skin

Hi Alas! Much of this I agree with. Some I have to take a little exception to. It isn't just that men compete with men through sports, job, money, power, flashy car, and looks and women compete with other women with looks. It is that women select men on all those various traits while (shallow) men s...
by Palerider
Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 13793

Re: Showing some skin

Having had numerous occasions to converse with females regarding just this subject (because of my profession, which shall remain unknown), I think I have some insight to your question. Men compete against other men in areas of sports, financial success and also for particular women. The way they dre...
by Palerider
Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What are priesthood keys?
Replies: 22
Views: 16005

Re: What are priesthood keys?

Matt. 16: 19 "And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." As it happened these keys were specific to those true Apostles who received them directly from Chri...