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by jfro18
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Equally yoked? I don't think so.
Replies: 9
Views: 3976

Re: Equally yoked? I don't think so.

I wonder if accepting the message comes down to delivery. Anything that sounds like "You're a victim!" will rarely ring true to people who have willingly (as they suppose) given themselves as sacrifices. It might be more effective to say something like, "Sister Eubank's talk was far and away the be...
by jfro18
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Intervention
Replies: 18
Views: 9106

Re: Intervention

I can't believe I missed this over the weekend. So sorry that you're going through this and I hope you can find a way to set some boundaries that they can respect. You're right about how you can leave the church but it won't leave you alone -- as long as you have family still active believers, it wi...
by jfro18
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:31 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Explaining the Dramatic Flip-Flop
Replies: 16
Views: 9475

Re: Explaining the Dramatic Flip-Flop

LOL is that for real? I seriously can't tell if that is a joke or if there truly is an article where a TBM is using gold medal winning mental gymnastics to explain how policy reversals should indeed strengthen one's testimony. I typed the site from that image and it appears to be real and I think a...
by jfro18
Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Equally yoked? I don't think so.
Replies: 9
Views: 3976

Re: Equally yoked? I don't think so.

What makes me even sadder is when I talked with my wife about this and she not only accepts it but defends it. I made a comment on that photo earlier and this was a response I got from a random believer: "As a woman I resent the way you talk down to me and others, as if we are victims of some horrib...
by jfro18
Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Doctrine vs Policy -- a distinction without a difference?
Replies: 16
Views: 7018

Re: Doctrine vs Policy -- a distinction without a difference?

I feel sorry for people who have to juggle this stuff into something that makes sense for them. I feel even sorrier for those who succeed and feel superior to those who continue to struggle because they recognize that it is irreconcilable. I've seen so much of this... I would love to know what DW t...
by jfro18
Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:47 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Hook, line and creamer
Replies: 22
Views: 11917

Re: Hook, line and creamer

I don't think they held anything back, and if anything I'm pretty sure they would prefer people to talk about coffee than their treatment of the LGBT community. Although when it comes to coffee, garments, etc I really don't think that would be a big GenCon announcement, but something they'd quietly ...
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: What would you choose?
Replies: 10
Views: 5226

Re: What would you choose?

Considering there's no evidence unique to the BoM that is backed by actual science of archaeology, I would say it's absurd to miss family time to go listen to someone pretend there is. But on the other hand, they need it to be true so much that they would gladly miss family time to find it... same w...
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Doctrine vs Policy -- a distinction without a difference?
Replies: 16
Views: 7018

Doctrine vs Policy -- a distinction without a difference?

I've been reading a lot of believers and apologists moving the goalposts this weekend about the church reversing the Nov 15 LGBT revelations, saying that they are policy and thus it's good that they're constantly changing even if it's incredibly difficult to believe God would change his mind 3.5 yea...
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!
Replies: 123
Views: 51403

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!

I heard Okinawa Japan. The church is in decline in Japan, but maybe there are enough members at the military base there to justify it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They always announce a few in countries that seem unlikely to project to members that are growing all over. Plus who knows how lo...
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:50 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!
Replies: 123
Views: 51403

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!

crazyhamster wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:48 pm
All that building and renovating, the church must be somewhat still flush with cash. Either that, or tithing settle should be very interesting for folks this year.
There are estimates they are worth upwards of 500 billion... they'll never hurt for cash.
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!
Replies: 123
Views: 51403

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:47 pm
New temples and some renovations of old ones. That's it!
So the weekend is basically reversing a 3.5 year old policy and announcing some new temples and revelations?

I'm not sure there are enough vitamins in the world for that kind of change. :lol:
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!
Replies: 123
Views: 51403

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday Afternoon!!!

Give-me-strength wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:12 pm
+5 for admitting the brethren are not perfect
I would give points for this but that line is also used later to whitewash mistakes.

It's about giving an impression that you're humble as you then demand everyone follow the next thing you say to the letter.
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!
Replies: 97
Views: 36532

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

This was just posted on another forum by someone who claims to be an insider: I can't say how I know...But absolutely watch next session, gonna be big We will see. Hope "big" means good and not horrible :lol: ************************* I could be wrong of course, but all of the people who really do ...
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:50 am
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!
Replies: 97
Views: 36532

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

Corsair wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:45 am
At it's root, the LDS church does not trust the spiritual experiences of others.
The LDS church doesn't even trust the spiritual experiences of their own members which is why they tell you from birth exactly what they mean, and scold you if you interpret them differently than they want you to.
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!
Replies: 97
Views: 36532

Re: General NOMfrence Sunday morning!!!!

AdmiralHoldo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:57 am
There are 7.5 billion people on the earth. There are 16 million Mormons. God is relying solely on us to get the world ready for Jesus to come again. Sure, Jan.
And only about a third are active.

Im one of those 16 million and more interested in seeing that number drop.
by jfro18
Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:11 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Newest update on my brother
Replies: 41
Views: 17491

Re: Update. Need to vent, has nothing to do with Mormonism

Wow - that's about as good as news and you'll wake up to!

That's great Alas - I hope the recovery continues and that he makes progress every day now that he's awake.

Congrats to your family - no news is going to top that this weekend :D
by jfro18
Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:09 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 2018 statistics relewsed
Replies: 23
Views: 10323

Re: 2018 statistics relewsed

Another interesting statistic I saw on Reddit: record high resignations in a year at over 140,000 (although I didn't check a source on that). That's pretty impressive considering that most of us just creep away slowly and don't bother with the paperwork. It's somewhat misleading -- it's that 140,00...
by jfro18
Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: It's all just brand name marketing, isn't it?
Replies: 14
Views: 7191

Re: It's all just brand name marketing, isn't it?

When the "current prophet" brags about his polygamous exploits over the pulpit at the mormon convention, I'm comfortable saying that the other "recent prophet" has been under-bussed. I'm 'pretty sure' that other "recent prophet" is enjoying his billions of polygamous wives and populating his planet...
by jfro18
Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:45 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence Saturday Morning!!!!
Replies: 90
Views: 31770

Re: General NOMfrence Saturday Morning!!!!

Sounds like I missed nothing this morning... last GenCon the Sat AM session was all the rage.

Wonder if that means this conference has already had the big surprise come out or if they're holding out... I CAN'T WAIT TO FIND OUT! :lol:
by jfro18
Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:01 am
Forum: Support
Topic: General NOMfrence!!! Spring 2019
Replies: 11
Views: 5426

Re: General NOMfrence!!! Spring 2019

I have a friend in town so I'll be lurking here to see what the updates are but unlikely able to post much since I won't be watching - I hope it's not too awful for those who have to watch. I'll be curious to see what changes they announce - the 2 hour church was widely leaked so not a big surprise....