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Red Ryder wrote: ↑

Mon May 08, 2017 5:43 pm

Snowdrop wrote: I feel feminine.

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I would point out the papers openly discuss controversial issues with the practice polygamy, using terms like "conjugal relations" (xxv) and "polyandrous marriages" (xxvii), and refuse to shy away from facts that the Church has in the past ignored. They admit that Smith likely consummated some, but...

Yes, but not from any church materials or speeches. I found out doing my own research on the internet (I'm embarrassed to admit that I bought the old " Joseph only was married to a few old widows whose husbands had been killed by those evil mobs "....and even then I only had a vague impression that...

Again, I wish I knew what they are looking at when they suggest this. Are they really hearing about people with lots of angst and questions who, for instance, read the essays and say, Okay, I get it now? Or do they just think: We made material available + lots of people don't have problems = studyi...

By rejecting the false accusation that it's the member's fault for being "unfaithful, lazy, wanting to sin", etc., etc. and placing the fault where it truly belongs, which is on the church and it's leadership for being untrue , we actually take away their power to influence us and do us any further...

I attend, have callings, pay tithing, and have a TR because I've so far seen my way clear to answer the questions.

I really like that you present each item from four viewpoints. That's a huge step forward. I agree with others that women in the temple is just too big a thing to leave unsaid. The status quo is that we're so high on Wise Mother Eve, but just wait 'til those girls actually get in there and hear what...

As Hagoth indicated, if they're implying the study of correlated material then their strategy makes sense to keep one in the church. If they mean for you to study the unvarnished, unwhitewashed truth, I can't think of anything that would lead you out of the church faster. Again, I wish I knew what ...

It is very naive advice... I'm trying to get outside of my own mindset, but I'm skeptical. Are there really people whose world was rocked by the essays (or CES letter, RSR, negative church experiences) who regained equilibrium after reading Joseph Smith Papers, or the Book of Mormon e-v-e-r-y day? ...

I'm curious to know what people think of the strategy (I guess that's the word) in which the church urges people to study church history more and more deeply. It just seems so weird to me, since my sanity was saved by just leaving it all on the curb and setting off to study all the stuff I'd been ig...

Particularly, that the founder Joseph Smith: -Married multiple women -As young as 14 years old -Had sexual relations with some of them -While some were already married to other men -And his wife, Emma, did not know about all of them. After a half century as a member of the Church, I am finally bein...

I would offer that given statements that "The Book of Mormon isn't a historical document" there's an opening to simply place it in the pile with Noah, Jonah, and other "allegorical" stories there is a growing opening to let the Book of Mormon veracity slip. This is a slowly growing section of the a...

I have kept a recommend up until recently, even though my wife, Bishop, and Stake President all know I'm a non-believer and minimal participator, yet all of them think it's so important for me to have an active recommend. I don't get it. Can someone help me understand? One possible answer: You're a...

I love this post. Thanks for putting it so well. I've wondered how LDS life compares to Catholic life. They have parrish boundaries and strong priesthood authority, necessary sacraments, etc. But anymore it seems that most Catholics can have the kind of relationship to their church that I wish I cou...

The last time I went to EQ was the weekend the JS polygamy essay came out. I also mark this as a turning point. I still attend for several reasons, but something died when that essay came out. It's not what happened then; it's the defense of it now at the expense of LDS women. I couldn't believe it.

No amount of spin or apologetics can make Joseph's polygamy look good unless a person is so desperate to believe it is OK that they will accept anything. Whenever I see someone try and defend it, my sense of morality is greatly offended. And any attempt to make Joseph and Emma's marriage seem speci...

Am I not getting what blood atonement is? I'm not reading extremely closely, but it sounds like justified murder. We righteous judges will kill you if we say you're doing evil. If that's it in a nutshell, it's interesting to me that we're so weirded out by BY's speeches, but the church keeps Sectio...

Interesting! Favorite short quote:

"I could not and would not be clay in the hands of anyone."

[particularly not since "Brother Brigham was the Potter"]

Am I not getting what blood atonement is? I'm not reading extremely closely, but it sounds like justified murder. We righteous judges will kill you if we say you're doing evil. If that's it in a nutshell, it's interesting to me that we're so weirded out by BY's speeches, but the church keeps Section...

AllieOop wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:38 am

They still cannot bring themselves to change the illustrations showing how Joseph translated the BofM.

I feel for them. It's a terrible fix.