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- Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:23 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: PRRI 2022 Census of American Religion
- Replies: 9
- Views: 995
Re: PRRI 2022 Census of American Religion
Younger generations seem to be abandoning church in ever increasing amounts. But then, the churches seem to also be abandoning the younger generation in significant ways. One of the assistant scoutmasters in my troop, in his upper twenties, was talking with me a couple of months ago about how many c...
- Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:01 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: PRRI 2022 Census of American Religion
- Replies: 9
- Views: 995
PRRI 2022 Census of American Religion
The PRRI has released their 2022 update to their Census of American Religion and it has a few interesting tidbits relevant to Mormonism. Mostly, though, it just shows that Mormonism is pretty irrelevant to most of the country. The PRRI graphs show that the percentage of Mormons in the country has go...
- Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:49 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Youth activities
- Replies: 13
- Views: 1379
Youth activities
I'm curious about what the youth activities are like in the Church these days. My family is all out and even the youngest is past that age, but we have extended family that are very involved. When I was a teen and as a participating adult I was very involved in youth activities. I continue to partic...
- Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:52 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Demythologizing Mormonism
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1406
Re: Demythologizing Mormonism
Right. They are relying less on divine authority and more on their own authority, simply by virtue of having been ordained to their offices. One of the big perspective changes I noticed after my testimony deconstruction was being more aware of what authority they state when they speak. When the Q15...
- Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:34 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Demythologizing Mormonism
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1406
- Tue Sep 20, 2022 10:32 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Demythologizing Mormonism
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1406
Re: Demythologizing Mormonism
RFM's latest podcast is a fascinating discussion about how the church is beginning to downplay miraculous events in church history. This isn't beginning. This has been going on for a long time. Indeed, we can say this has been going on since at least after Brigham's death. And definitely since I st...
- Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:24 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Joseph Smith and the curse of the flaming sword
- Replies: 18
- Views: 2395
Re: Joseph Smith and the curse of the flaming sword
In "Good Omens" (book by Pratchett and Gaimain, and later Amazon Video series) we learn the history of the angel with the flaming sword from the Garden of Eden, Aziraphale. In their retelling of it, the story is a little bit different from what actually shows up in the Bible.
- Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:21 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Oaks vows BYU will not be part of "the World"
- Replies: 24
- Views: 2510
Re: Oaks vows BYU will not be part of "the World"
This is a disappointment to see Oaks doing this sort of thing. Church needs to set up a damage control for this sort of thing. I can't say Oaks talk is really a disappointment. This is exactly what I expect from him, exactly what we've seen over and over. It does highlight just how disappointing th...
- Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:23 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Oaks vows BYU will not be part of "the World"
- Replies: 24
- Views: 2510
Re: Oaks vows BYU will not be part of "the World"
It's hard to tell just what Oaks is rambling on about. He doesn't want BYU / the Church to change because of "the world". But, the world is a very non-homogeneous place. And the Church and BYU have a very long history of changing to accommodate the world. Do you remember when women couldn't wear pan...
- Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:21 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Help declining a sacrament meeting talk
- Replies: 26
- Views: 2839
Re: Help declining a sacrament meeting talk
An explanation may bring more attention to you than you want at the moment. Jeffret's line is all that is needed. Don't explain yourself to people who (incorrectly) claim to have god telling them what you need to do. Don't explain yourself to people that think they have the need, power, and authori...
- Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:55 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Help declining a sacrament meeting talk
- Replies: 26
- Views: 2839
Re: Help declining a sacrament meeting talk
I would keep it simple and short.
"I'm not able to accept that invitation now or in the near future."
Yeah, they may come back in future, but it's easy to repeat that phrase when they do. And you get marked as one of those who won't give it their all so they tend not to ask again.
"I'm not able to accept that invitation now or in the near future."
Yeah, they may come back in future, but it's easy to repeat that phrase when they do. And you get marked as one of those who won't give it their all so they tend not to ask again.
- Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:54 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Advice on parenting college-age student and drinking
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1064
Re: Advice on parenting college-age student and drinking
If they're adults they'll make their own choices. They have to and they should. You've really got to start from that foundation. (Even when they're younger than they'll still make their own choices, but that's not the discussion here, I don't think.) As parents of adults, we really cannot dictate to...
- Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:46 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Resignation Poll
- Replies: 29
- Views: 3599
Re: Resignation Poll
Exciting!Fifi de la Vergne wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:58 amIt is done. Thank you for giving me the information and push I needed to finally go through with it.
- Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:43 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Resignation Poll
- Replies: 29
- Views: 3599
Re: Resignation Poll
Jeffret, how did you submit your resignation then -- did you just send a letter to church headquarters, or use Quit Mormon, or something else? I thought for Quit Mormon you need a membership number, which is why I've felt stalled. I'd like to do it as quickly and painlessly as possible. I used Quit...
- Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:08 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Resignation Poll
- Replies: 29
- Views: 3599
Re: Resignation Poll
The only obstacle now is logistical -- I don't know what ward I'm in or my membership number, so I've got to track those down and start the paperwork. I didn't need that info when I resigned. I stopped attending before the church had whatever member login system they've created, so I never had a ne...
- Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:45 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Resignation Poll
- Replies: 29
- Views: 3599
Re: Resignation Poll
For many years I figured it didn't really matter and it wasn't worth the bother. I thought that if they ever got around to kicking me out I might think differently about that, but I'm so insignificant there's no way it was ever going to happen. Then, a few years back my wife said she planned on subm...
- Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:15 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Source Says There Is Disarray Among the Q15
- Replies: 29
- Views: 4088
Re: Source Says There Is Disarray Among the Q15
John Dehlin is sharing on social media that one of his insider sources says there is "major discord among 12 right now on current issues" and "tithing receipts are way down". I don't have any confidence in the rumor, but I consider both of these to be likely true. I suspect tithing receipts are not...
- Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:19 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Stealthbishop: The Off-Broadway Play
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2387
Re: Stealthbishop: The Off-Broadway Play
You know what they say - book is always better than movie/play (very stressful to actors who never get it quite right). Not really true as an absolute, of course. Opinions differ, but I know of movies that are better than the book. "The Birds": The Hitchcock movie is more engaging than the original...
- Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:59 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Stealthbishop: The Off-Broadway Play
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2387
Re: Stealthbishop: The Off-Broadway Play
Fun!
Just remember the character is a character, possibly an amalgamation of different people or ideas, with probably of a lot of artistic license thrown in.
Just remember the character is a character, possibly an amalgamation of different people or ideas, with probably of a lot of artistic license thrown in.
- Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:30 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Holy Fetch! (Update…)
- Replies: 40
- Views: 6945
Re: Holy Fetch!
Thanks Jeffret! I’ll be honest and admit the uncertainty does feel a bit unsettling here because in many LDS marriages the church has always been the anchor. Pull up the anchor and suddenly we both have to start doing the work to keep the marriage alive and healthy. I’ve seen too many couples go th...