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by Azrael
Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

You're comparing yourself testimony to Jesus'? Yikes. Anyway, I'm not asking you to read any books, I was just offering to discuss the church's own essays, but that's ok, even my bishop is afraid to read them. My point is, I hope you’re sure of your stance, because you’ll have to explain it to Chri...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

You have some googling to do to even be close to entering a discussion with me on this topic. What if I turned to panel three, page 11 of the cartoon edition of Great Estimations by Charles Dickens? https://greatexpectationsreadalong.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/who_is_it___said_the_lady_at_the_tabl...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

August, 1836

I’m currently studying Judaism. A commendable pursuit. Are you studying soley to increase knowledge or do you pursue becoming Jewish on a religious level? Oh I’m an Ashkenzai Jew. I was born into a Catholic family though, raised ‘Lutheran’ (not literally) by my mother as much as possible, then join...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

Re: August, 1836

I’m currently studying Judaism.
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

There can be only one 144,000 in the Elect, I suspect this will be a broad cross-section across many religions: Especially after Messiah consolidates all religions as part of his mission on Earth next time around. Like 12,000 from the Tribe of Joseph, 12,000 from the Tribe of Peter, 12,000 from the...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

My testimony is rock solid. For all you know you’re asking Jesus Christ himself to renounce his faith. A big no thanks on being book buddies with you. You're comparing yourself testimony to Jesus'? Yikes. Anyway, I'm not asking you to read any books, I was just offering to discuss the church's own ...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

August, 1836

I can’t imagine what possessed you to go on a mission before having a testimony of the BOM. It’s hard to imagine from my perspective. I think many LDS families are putting too much pressure on their children to go on missions. Whoa.... It isn't the families fault. Many, many bishops, stake presiden...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:49 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

Does the truth hurt the same way lies hurt? It's very painful to come to terms with the realization that you have been wrong all your life. For some people it takes incredible courage to own up to that, a degree of courage that they never had to encounter when they were following the counsel to of ...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

Does the truth hurt the same way lies hurt?
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

Re: August, 1836

You’re free to be the victim here in your mind. Do all roads lead to victimhood? I’m not marginalizing you, is it possible I’m critiquing your admitted perception of failure? Ah yes. It's completely obvious that you're incapable of looking in the mirror, or attempting to see anything from a point o...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

August, 1836

I can’t imagine what possessed you to go on a mission before having a testimony of the BOM. It’s hard to imagine from my perspective. I think many LDS families are putting too much pressure on their children to go on missions. Just like 99.9% of missionaries I believed in the Book of Mormon but I h...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

Re: August, 1836

I’m not marginalizing you, is it possible I’m critiquing your admitted perception of failure?



by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

Re: August, 1836

You’re free to be the victim here in your mind.

Do all roads lead to victimhood?
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

Are you expecting me to adopt your lack of faith or something? Abandon my birthright perhaps? Deny the Holy Ghost over your fickle opinion? By the same token: Why would you start posting on a message board such as this without doing any research about the tone of said message board, and expect ever...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

August, 1836

I’m sorry you’ve come to this conclusion. My experience has been amazing concerning the Holy Spirit and prayer. Good for you, Azrael. I certainly hope you understand that the experiences of others who are intensely sincere, and who have dedicated a lifetime of devotion to the church and to living i...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

Fortunately it’s not possible for the Elect to be deceived.

Only 144,000 of every soul that’s ever been shall be considered The Elect.

by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:08 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

I envision this as Jesus showing up, technology converging on being able to get 144,000 on a spaceship where technology will prolong their lives for 1000 years. Then Earth settles down from the event that rearranged the Earth’s surface to the point where our current world is no longer, and Messiah ...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:49 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

Re: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

Joseph Smith, at a time when I believe he was a fallen prophet, is the only prophet I know of 5hat said the Elect would be deceived. And this false prophecy was allowed to be publish for some reason I suspect... Oh, I think the Savior prophesied of these things long before Joseph Smith was even bor...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:41 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How to Reconcile LDS Doubts
Replies: 133
Views: 61263

How to Reconcile LDS Doubts

144,000 get out alive. Here's the problem. Joseph Smith taught that everyone that dies before the age of 8 will be exalted. He even said in the King Follett Discourse that they will become gods; "Eternity is full of thrones upon which dwell thousands of children reigning on thrones of glory not one...
by Azrael
Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: August, 1836
Replies: 80
Views: 36276

Re: August, 1836

Has anyone prayed to know if he was a prophet? That is not how prayer works, sadly. The idea that you can pray to know truth was invented by the Wesley brothers, the founders of the Methodist movement. John and Charles Wesley. They decided, I believe in the 1750s, that warm feelings they felt in th...