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by Angel
Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:04 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Rethinking the Renlund's dented boat
Replies: 6
Views: 8031

Re: Rethinking the Renlund's dented boat

Upon the sea, a sailor's gaze, In wonder at the diverse array. Big and small, old and new, Each on a voyage, a different hue. Through storms they strive, through calm they glide, Their paths converge, a fate implied. One port they seek, though routes vary wide, Many boats, one destination, a journey...
by Angel
Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A Reasonable God?
Replies: 19
Views: 50680

Re: A Reasonable God?

Reasonable? Faith over fear? Gen 22:12 - And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fear est God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. faith = fear Consider what some Jewish people believe about Abraham/Isaac -...
by Angel
Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:44 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Cost of a Janitor
Replies: 28
Views: 13418

Re: The Cost of a Janitor

Hagoth wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:15 pm
You are entitled to three meals a day, clothing, a place to sleep, and healthcare. Anything beyond that is up to you."
... and education - need to add education to that list, the pursuit of happiness and self-reliance.
by Angel
Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Everything scary was invented by The Church
Replies: 22
Views: 12637

Re: Everything scary was invented by The Church

One thing that popped into my head recently that's "scary" and likely invented by "The Church": Fear of death. Why do we have to fear death? It's an inevitable part of the human experience. No-one's getting outta here alive, so why do we have to be scared of the inevitable? Is fear of death invente...
by Angel
Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:45 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Gavin Newsom is more in tune with God’s will
Replies: 20
Views: 22016

Re: Gavin Newsom is more in tune with God’s will

I'm independent, so on the outside of this. It seems like there might be a new group that has left the Mormon church because it no longer aligns with their political views? This is different from those who left because of ... history, lies, abuse, etc. Why did everyone leave? If you had to name jus...
by Angel
Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:49 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Gavin Newsom is more in tune with God’s will
Replies: 20
Views: 22016

Re: Gavin Newsom is more in tune with God’s will

I'm independent, so on the outside of this. It seems like there might be a new group that has left the Mormon church because it no longer aligns with their political views? This is different from those who left because of ... history, lies, abuse, etc. Why did everyone leave? If you had to name just...
by Angel
Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:04 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Everything scary was invented by The Church
Replies: 22
Views: 12637

Re: Everything scary was invented by The Church

To the best of my knowledge, none of my older children have ever visited a mental health professional. These are the children who watched as I stocked up on firearms, food, and medical supplies as a faithful Mormon. On the other hand, two of my younger children who have never set foot in a Mormon c...
by Angel
Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Everything scary was invented by The Church
Replies: 22
Views: 12637

Re: Everything scary was invented by The Church

What I'm trying to get at with this thread is to understand the endless trauma I experienced in my childhood because of this made-up boogeyman sh*t. At least half of my childhood dreams were nightmares about demons, evil spirits, and the end of the world. I had to really get my courage up to go in ...
by Angel
Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:16 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: THANK YOU OHIO
Replies: 7
Views: 12890

Re: THANK YOU OHIO

It's easier to breathe today. It's nice to see that fellow Ohioans are paying attention to the threat on the state's constitution. A tiny step for a big victory. I'm not from Ohio, so had to look it up. This? "Ohio voters on Tuesday definitively rejected a closely watched proposal known as Issue 1 ...
by Angel
Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:06 am
Forum: Support
Topic: NOM for Thee, NOM for He, or NOM for me?
Replies: 40
Views: 21543

Re: NOM for Thee, NOM for He, or NOM for me?

The hateful NOM described by some has not been my experience. In some ways, I feel that the experience anyone has with a group of people reflects the attitudes and personality of the person having the experience. That we change the dynamics of the group and the effect the group has on us by the var...
by Angel
Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:50 am
Forum: Support
Topic: NOM for Thee, NOM for He, or NOM for me?
Replies: 40
Views: 21543

Re: NOM for Thee, NOM for He, or NOM for me?

I believe that Angel and I have different opinions regarding whether or not Mormonism is a cult.... Is it better to tell a convicted felon that finds Mormonism in jail that he is in a "cult" Is it better to tell someone with cancer they can get a cheap fix with essential oils? Or is it best to send...
by Angel
Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:50 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Keeping up with Trump
Replies: 990
Views: 1808595

Re: Keeping up with Trump

"The President in particular is very much a figurehead—he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial ch...
by Angel
Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:38 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: THANK YOU OHIO
Replies: 7
Views: 12890

Re: THANK YOU OHIO

It's easier to breathe today. It's nice to see that fellow Ohioans are paying attention to the threat on the state's constitution. A tiny step for a big victory. I'm not from Ohio, so had to look it up. This? "Ohio voters on Tuesday definitively rejected a closely watched proposal known as Issue 1 ...
by Angel
Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Cost of a Janitor
Replies: 28
Views: 13418

Re: The Cost of a Janitor

[If you are disabled, elderly, or permanently handicapped in any way - there is no support for you from the church. Do you think that comes from the LDS interpretation of Jesus's message to help, or from LDS political conservatism "to be not of the world but rather emulated dog eat dog in the world...
by Angel
Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Cost of a Janitor
Replies: 28
Views: 13418

Re: The Cost of a Janitor

True service - clean that poor elderly lady's home - not the church. Some facilities person who needs the work out there - and put kids to work in better service opportunities. Sometimes you can spot a cluster of conditions in those who need help: Poor balance, decreased eyesight and hearing, pain ...
by Angel
Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Wired to war?
Replies: 5
Views: 7041

Re: Wired to war?

Can't find it now, but was listening to a podcast with theory that our war is a result of transitioning from animals who act through instinct → logical thoughtful mind. The premise, consider a dog or lion - their actions are not really logically thought out or calculated, just instinct. So some monk...
by Angel
Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:06 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Why are powerful men.......horndogs?
Replies: 15
Views: 13145

Re: Why are powerful men.......horndogs?

I'm not male so could only speculate. Why do some women get trapped in stuff like this? I've seen - women who were abused from birth, from before they could talk, raised in family where it was taught that it was normal and fine with purity culture that didn't talk about it at all so they didn't know...
by Angel
Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:39 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Cost of a Janitor
Replies: 28
Views: 13418

Re: The Cost of a Janitor

Service is great, men cleaning their own toilets is great (though amazing amount of virtue signaling with it isn't so great). Some things are not really service. Missionary work isn't service, it is advertising. (Is someone selling a political view serving? selling anything isn't charity). If the $$...
by Angel
Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:32 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Everything scary was invented by The Church
Replies: 22
Views: 12637

Re: Everything scary was invented by The Church

Re: idea the Judeo-Christian Abrahamic god kills everyone in a flood, killing Egyptian babies, telling Abraham to kill his son, killing his own son - just another god of war - I’ve been listening to “A History of Western Philosophy” by Bertrand Russell who is a Nobel Prize winner in Literature "in r...
by Angel
Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:00 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Hate vs. Indifference
Replies: 14
Views: 7502

Re: Hate vs. Indifference

Ok, reading my previous posts - let me expand my understanding of what a "truther" is. Truther - I belong to the one and only "true" church (everyone else is false, everyone else is part of the "great and abominable church" only my church is true. This works for countries - my country is #1, everyon...