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by alas
Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:19 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Pope, Gay blessing, Conversion opportunity
Replies: 47
Views: 69434

Re: Pope, Gay blessing, Conversion opportunity

Backing up a bit here, the jolly penguin didn’t say “some”saints. I would hate to put words in his mouth and understate who he is accusing of hatred. If you live in America, and America starts a war, are you a complicit killer? Is the blood of dead soldiers on Dick Cheney’s hands or yours? If Ameri...
by alas
Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:16 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Has Finland Anti-LDS Values?
Replies: 9
Views: 1292

Re: Has Finland Anti-LDS Values?

In general, Utah has one of the lowest rates of homelessness in the United States, and the majority of the state's homeless population can be found in Salt Lake metropolis, which is considered to be a liberal metropolis. If you take a more comprehensive look at the issue of homelessness in the Unit...
by alas
Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:43 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: How long can I lie ?
Replies: 21
Views: 26893

Re: How long can I lie ?

Only the Mormon church thinks you can control your spouse’s choices. ;) Great points regarding control and limits. All good. Very good. On the above point, however, I disagree. Controlling a spouse's choices is not unique to the Mormon church. It is a form of control that has been institutionalized...
by alas
Tue Jan 02, 2024 12:10 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: How long can I lie ?
Replies: 21
Views: 26893

Re: How long can I lie ?

...hoping your spouse will change something as basic as religious belief just is not a good way to have a stable marriage. Either accept she is Mormon and love her for it, or love her in spite of it. But if you love her, then love who she IS, not who you wish she was, because that is not love. You ...
by alas
Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:13 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: How long can I lie ?
Replies: 21
Views: 26893

Re: How long can I lie ?

I agree with the elephant. It isn’t fair to your wife to expect her to change her beliefs. She may never agree with you, so all you can really expect is to be PIMO for the rest of your marriage/life, or to demand that you be allowed to stop attending. So, weigh the cost of keeping your wife happy by...
by alas
Wed Dec 20, 2023 1:11 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Tithing Unsettlement
Replies: 21
Views: 2786

Re: Tithing Unsettlement

My last active child has stopped paying tithing over this issue. He talked more with his Dad than he did with me, so I don’t know many details about how active he and his wife intend to be in the future. His wife was struggling with feminist issues, and the church’s dishonesty was kind of a final st...
by alas
Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:49 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Real people
Replies: 17
Views: 2290

Re: Real people

Pompous jackasses are pompous jackasses whether they have university degrees or run a cattle ranch and dropped out of fourth grade. It s just that pompous jackasses Ike to use whatever they can to make others feel insecure. I have an uneducated sister in law who thinks she and her husband are the on...
by alas
Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 27451

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

The over focus on porn is also part of patriarchy. You can tell because, gee, it was a men only lesson. Patriarchy pretends that women are too pure to have sexual thoughts or feelings. Women are just an empty vessel to incubate children. They have no sexual drive, they are not turned on themselves, ...
by alas
Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:39 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 27451

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

So, guys, what did patriarchy teach you. Good lessons like protect women and children, and bad ones. Probably should be a new thread, but the mods can split it if they want. From the time I turned 12 I was taught that I possessed the greatest power in the universe ("more power in your little finger...
by alas
Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:51 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 27451

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I also find it fascinating how conversations can veer off in unexpected directions that take them miles from the original topic. I also confess to being one of the worst perpetrators of said veering. Eh ... I'm one of the biggest offenders at that. I know it really bugs some people, so I try not to...
by alas
Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:32 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 'Zina' Principle.
Replies: 6
Views: 2250

Re: The 'Zina' Principle.

The Zina principle is a fine example of Joseph Smith playing Calvin ball. If the rules don’t work for your benefit, change the rules. Legally you are allowed one wife. But change the rules and I can have more. Can’t have a woman is she is married to someone else. Change the rules. You must get your ...
by alas
Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:23 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: How America Has Been Let Down By The Republicans
Replies: 37
Views: 577626

Re: How America Has Been Let Down By The Republicans

You talk about what communism wanted to do, then you switch over to how the horrible democrats want socialism. Learn the difference. Socialism is not communism. I am not one bit afraid of socialism. I have lived in a socialist country, and they had as many rights as we do, but they had medical care,...
by alas
Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:07 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: How social justice movements are like the LDS church
Replies: 7
Views: 3465

Re: How social justice movements are like the LDS church

In actuality, women benefited greatly from the feminist movement in the beginning, but like any train without brakes, they're crashing hard, they are hardly relevant anymore—especially since most feminists are afraid to define what a woman is! Feminism is great. But that movement has been replaced ...
by alas
Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:21 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Ayaan Hirsi Ali Joins Christianity
Replies: 11
Views: 2194

Re: Ayaan Hirsi Ali Joins Christianity

Yet I would not be truthful if I attributed my embrace of Christianity solely to the realisation that atheism is too weak and divisive a doctrine to fortify us against our menacing foes. People worried about "menacing foes" probably do need religion... or are unable to completely divorce themselves...
by alas
Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Primary Program 2023
Replies: 10
Views: 1685

Re: Primary Program 2023

It's still the only LDS meeting that can hold my attention. My only memory of participating in the Primary program was standing there with a microphone in my hand and saying, "Teacher, I forgot my line!" Uproarious laughter from the congregation only magnified the terror. I know I've told y'all thi...
by alas
Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 27451

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

So, it really is kind of a chicken and egg thing, but more complicated. TANGENT ALERT!!! I know a guy whose company does a lot of the painting in new temples, as well as paint touch-ups, Moroni re-goldleafing, etc. in older temples. He told me the Salt Lake temple's Creation Room mural once had a n...
by alas
Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 27451

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I hope I don’t scare off Jeffret. I am only willing to get into this kind of discussion with someone I trust and respect how he thinks. But most people don’t take my arguing with them as the complement it really is. I don’t discuss things with stupid people—-boring. And I don’t discuss things with m...
by alas
Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:20 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Belief is easy, doubt is hard.
Replies: 6
Views: 1932

Re: Belief is easy, doubt is hard.

This is interesting. When you think about it, you know it is true. Just how hard was it for us to start questioning the church? How old were we before we dared buy a car that our father didn’t approve of that brand? Or as my sister said, “I knew I had finally grown up when I could buy the brand of t...
by alas
Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 27451

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

Oh, that bit that sounds like the male rights people, yeah, I am being sarcastic. But that was close to what some male anthropologists did in declaring that there were matriarchal societies. They saw something close to egalitarian and declared it matriarchal, because they couldn’t believe all the po...
by alas
Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:45 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 27451

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

All human cultures have been ruled by men. In human history we have never had one where the ruling power was held only by women. This is well outside my area of expertise or anything I've studied, but I have read that there have been matriarchal societies, or societies ruled by women. So, yeah, I d...