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by Palerider
Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:52 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 14028

Re: Showing some skin

Perhaps this is an oversimplification, but from my perspective in my current social circle, there are few acceptable means of self-expression for women. Taking care of one’s body and one’s attractiveness are appropriate and I know many women who do this to what I consider an extreme. I say extreme ...
by Palerider
Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 14028

Re: Showing some skin

You and I are undoubtedly from different generations. I'm heading into my mid-sixties and have been very happily married for 41 years. Some here who remember me from the former board know that I'm fairly conservative but I have empathy for those who may not be believers. I don't blame them for the w...
by Palerider
Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 14028

Re: Showing some skin

And Palerider, those generalizations were generalizations. But most men have an attractiveness level below which they will not go. There just isn't any attraction. But once a woman meets his attractiveness threshold, then he looks for other traits, such as intelligence. Because that is a factor in ...
by Palerider
Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 14028

Re: Showing some skin

Hi Alas! Much of this I agree with. Some I have to take a little exception to. It isn't just that men compete with men through sports, job, money, power, flashy car, and looks and women compete with other women with looks. It is that women select men on all those various traits while (shallow) men s...
by Palerider
Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Showing some skin
Replies: 30
Views: 14028

Re: Showing some skin

Having had numerous occasions to converse with females regarding just this subject (because of my profession, which shall remain unknown), I think I have some insight to your question. Men compete against other men in areas of sports, financial success and also for particular women. The way they dre...
by Palerider
Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What are priesthood keys?
Replies: 22
Views: 16342

Re: What are priesthood keys?

Matt. 16: 19 "And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." As it happened these keys were specific to those true Apostles who received them directly from Chri...
by Palerider
Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: I need help with data mining
Replies: 11
Views: 13302

Re: I need help with data mining

Wow....that looks interesting. Thanks for the tip rincewind.
by Palerider
Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:43 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What exactly are Good Works?
Replies: 10
Views: 7212

Re: What exactly are Good Works?

This brings to mind an issue that the Founding Fathers had when they established the U.S. Constitution. Whether the citizenry would pass laws that were truly for the benefit of mankind. Specifically, whether they would be able to tell the difference between "Liberty" and "License". Liberty, which we...
by Palerider
Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What exactly are Good Works?
Replies: 10
Views: 7212

Re: What exactly are Good Works?

Seems to me that "good works" primarily have to come as a result of the Spirit moving in our lives. I even think this includes many (not all) atheists and agnostics who would assign their impulses to do good as altruism. For if we simply do "good works" to be seen of men are they then entirely good?...
by Palerider
Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Mormon reformation and apostates
Replies: 9
Views: 6722

Re: Mormon reformation and apostates

It's interesting to note that many of the polygamist groups, especially those of Colorado City, still have church ownership of the entire town and it's homes. So if an individual or family wants to leave the "community" the church still allows them to take nothing but the clothes on their backs when...
by Palerider
Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:07 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Resignation
Replies: 9
Views: 5694

Re: Resignation

Why do I get the feeling that this (the church way) isn't the way the Savior would go about this? I think the Savior would be prepared to accept my decision (with sadness and regret of course) as the use of free agency that it is. No hoops to jump through. No artificial guilt trips or threats of los...
by Palerider
Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Resignation
Replies: 9
Views: 5694

Resignation

Sorry if this topic doesn't belong here but was wondering if there had been any more news on whether a member can resign from the church online or not? Lately I've been thinking more seriously about getting this over. I just don't want to go through the crap of having to talk to a Bishop or Stake Pr...
by Palerider
Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What calling does someone like me get?
Replies: 21
Views: 13018

Re: What calling does someone like me get?

When I informed my Stake Pres. about my new feelings toward the church and that I wanted a release, he wouldn't release me from my calling (High Priest GL) immediately. Eventually he got the message that I was very unhappy being forced (in a way) to represent a church that I no longer believed in. ...
by Palerider
Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:41 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Angel Nephi, scratch that, Moroni - ?
Replies: 5
Views: 3457

Re: Angel Nephi, scratch that, Moroni - ?

Heard something the other day that really resonated with me and applies to so much of the churches sorry apologetics. The story of the honest waiter (0r Everybody makes mistakes occasionally): When things get busy in a crowded restaurant there are occasions when a good waiter might give a customer t...
by Palerider
Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:04 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What calling does someone like me get?
Replies: 21
Views: 13018

Re: What calling does someone like me get?

When I informed my Stake Pres. about my new feelings toward the church and that I wanted a release, he wouldn't release me from my calling (High Priest GL) immediately. Eventually he got the message that I was very unhappy being forced (in a way) to represent a church that I no longer believed in. S...
by Palerider
Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:55 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: 40 stakes in Holland
Replies: 24
Views: 12779

Re: 40 stakes in Holland

Curious as to how many stakes Holland currently has?
by Palerider
Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: In the news today...no surprise it's tied to Mormonism
Replies: 8
Views: 6095

Re: In the news today...no surprise it's tied to Mormonism

The current church would love to scrape the tar of polygamy off their backs but it still remains. From Hinckley interview with Larry King: "As far as I'm concerned, I have nothing to do with it. It belongs to the civil officers of the state. Larry King: You condemn it. Gordon B. Hinckley: I condemn ...
by Palerider
Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joseph's plea to Vermont
Replies: 10
Views: 6996

Re: Joseph's plea to Vermont

deacon blues wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:52 pm
Pale Rider! Are you the same Pale Rider from days of yore? With the Clint Eastwood avatar? Good to hear from you. :)
Yep, It's me Deacon. Glad to be back and thanks for the welcome. 8-)
by Palerider
Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:39 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Joseph's plea to Vermont
Replies: 10
Views: 6996

Re: Joseph's plea to Vermont

I believe it is an apologists' claim that Joseph wouldn't have had any opportunity to read or experience Shakespeare's work before "translating" the BoM and so when the BoM states "from whence no traveler can return" we are to believe that it is purely coincidental that it is nearly a perfect paraph...
by Palerider
Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Polygamy and Jacob 2
Replies: 11
Views: 9246

Re: Polygamy and Jacob 2

Interesting thing about Biblical polygamy is that (if read carefully) there is never a "commandment" by God for men to take multiple wives. Sarah in a lack of faith actually foisted Hagar upon Abraham (as a concubine not a wife). Then Jacob is deceived into marrying Leah before he can marry his true...