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by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:13 pm
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: It's not all my fault?
Replies: 10
Views: 13589

Re: It's not all my fault?

Be the best husband you can possibly be. She expects that this is a slippery slope issue and you will go from this “sin” on to other sins and pretty soon, you are a drunk who beats her and has lost his job. This advice is very wise, and I would only add work really hard at seeing the situation from...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:02 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Covenant Path... where's the trailhead?
Replies: 18
Views: 1282

Re: Covenant Path... where's the trailhead?

I'm not sure I would call the frequent use of "covenant path" a fad. I'm guessing the GAs are trying to get or keep membership on the "covenant path", not just discuss it (especially with critics), and that they view small memorable sound bites repeated over and over again as mnemonic aids in this e...
by Keewon
Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:26 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: counselor?
Replies: 6
Views: 545

Re: counselor?

Thanks, Red and Pale. Are you siblings by any chance? Just wondering since you share the same last name... Just kidding of course! :) Thanks for the good suggestions. You folks have been around for a long time. I'm impressed at your kindness to stay and help folks through their faith-related struggl...
by Keewon
Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:00 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: counselor?
Replies: 6
Views: 545

counselor?

Hi again!! I used to hang around this site some years ago, and greatly benefited from the wisdom and camaraderie here. Now, I've been struggling with a family-related question, not sure where to turn, and it suddenly popped into my head to try here yet again. Background: I have a 23 year old son, on...
by Keewon
Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:46 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: An April Fools' Reminder: Mormon Youth Sex Interviews Are Foolish
Replies: 8
Views: 3471

Re: An April Fools' Reminder: Mormon Youth Sex Interviews Are Foolish

I was naive about so many things church-related until I began to hear others' experiences years after my LDS mission. I never had a church leader bring up sexual behavior in an interview- I always had to bring it up with them. They always seemed like they'd rather not deal with it. When I brought it...
by Keewon
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Trigger Warning: Surviving Sexual Assault
Replies: 21
Views: 7631

Re: Trigger Warning: Surviving Sexual Assault

This was a real problem for me, a real self-esteem crusher, to be told that I was chewed gum, that I should have fought back harder. I was *five*, people! Your story is painful to hear. Certain bible passages having to do with millstones and the depths of the sea and all that come to mind. I'm sorr...
by Keewon
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:08 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Any genetic evidence found of Lehi's migration to America?
Replies: 21
Views: 9787

Re: Any genetic evidence found of Lehi's migration to America?

These days LDS apologetics is pretty much about trying to convince you that the Nephites, Lamanites, Mulekites, and Jaredites were such small and insignificant populations that they left no trace at all, and were specifically targeted and eliminated by disease. The apologists certainly seem to have...
by Keewon
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Another Lawsuit
Replies: 13
Views: 4534

Re: Another Lawsuit

Even the Quorum of the Twelve had no knowledge of that huge investment fund. The mafia could take lessons from LDS secrecy. Apparently even the left hand knoweth not what the left hand doeth. I've always been of the belief that the scientific method doesn't go far enough. More than just double blin...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:08 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A So-Called Beloved Daughter
Replies: 17
Views: 4996

Re: A So-Called Beloved Daughter

Welcome to NOM, hallew. Your story is painful and all too common. The only thing I can think of to say is some advice my mission president gave me- when you pray, be honest with God. That includes every negative thought, all your anger, all of it. Don't try to manufacture feelings. If you're pretty ...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:50 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Forced Turning Point
Replies: 156
Views: 44858

Re: Forced Turning Point

One of my more successful experiences with an uncomfortable interview was when the EQP asked to speak with me, clearly about my decreasing level of activity in the church. Once we started I took over the conversation, asked him about his work, found it interesting enough to dig deeper, asked questio...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:43 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: MIL Innocently Indoctrinating my Kids
Replies: 12
Views: 3882

Re: MIL Innocently Indoctrinating my Kids

2bizE wrote:Something I want to learn more about and teach my children is that Satan is not real.
My dad explained that Satan was like Santa- he's your dad.

I guess he would know on both counts...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: We now know what Hagoth did when he left in a ship
Replies: 12
Views: 4615

Re: We now know what Hagoth did when he left in a ship

Ancient Origins is a semi-reputable site that ranges from accurate archeology to wild conjectures about ancient aliens and Atlantis. I prefer calm, sane conjectures about ancient aliens and Atlantis for my taste. If someone can actually identify them by their first name (the aliens that is), that m...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:14 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Kwaku, FAIRMomon, and terminating Dehlin
Replies: 88
Views: 29397

Re: Kwaku, FAIRMomon, and terminating Dehlin

Of course, the one thing that would solve the problem is for the church to take owner ship and address these problem head on with honesty and transparency. But we know the church will not do that because they neither accept or give apologies. They don't have to give apologize. They're rich to the g...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:48 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is Christianity Dying?
Replies: 25
Views: 8824

Re: Is Christianity Dying?

I wonder sometimes whether civilization needs religion to remain stable. Civilizations obviously "want" religion, since it always pops up. Secular European countries seem to do just fine, happier by most measures than the US. The more religious countries tend to have higher disparity between rich a...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: John Gee and the GAEL
Replies: 19
Views: 5879

Re: John Gee and the GAEL

I have lost motivation to engage in the BoA and John Gee discussions. Now that I know what I know, it seems like arguing whether the tooth fairy is able to carry only coins or if it can also carry folding money.
Back in my day the tooth fairy only seemed to carry nickels...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The 2020 numbers
Replies: 35
Views: 11952

Re: The 2020 numbers

Based on these numbers, the average full time missionary baptized less than 2 and a half converts in the year.
I'd like to see those converts.

Along similar lines, I understand that the average US adult is 5' 7" tall, has 1 3/4 children and is a hermaphrodite... ;)
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: RFM's bombshells
Replies: 11
Views: 3980

Re: RFM's bombshells

2bizE wrote:Apparently, the Spanish treasure is still in that hill as there is no record of Joseph finding it...and as truly as the gold plates are real gold the Spanish treasure must exist.
That gold's still slippery, I understand.
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bundy and the Mormon Holy War
Replies: 13
Views: 4588

Re: Bundy and the Mormon Holy War

a) Ammon and his father should both be in jail. You shouldn't get to initiate an armed takeover of a federally owned building and walk free. Agreed. Per my understanding, it was pure prosecutorial incompetence that led to their getting off the hook. For good or ill, the assumption of innocence and ...
by Keewon
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Church updates handbook.
Replies: 21
Views: 7188

Re: Church updates handbook.

My most salient memory of a church member obsessed with survival, in this life and the next, was an older neighbor who stored a gun with his two-year's food supply. One time he told me (exact words IIRC): "Young man, I'm going to the Celestial Kingdom, and I don't care who I have to step on to get t...
by Keewon
Tue May 05, 2020 9:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Culture of Fake Friends
Replies: 22
Views: 13699

Re: Culture of Fake Friends

And that, my friends, is one thing Mormonism has taught us - other people are a means to an end. You don't serve people because you love them, you serve them because you are supposed to and God wants you to and you'd better if you want to make it to the tippity top of the Celestial Kingdom. Looking...