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- Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:12 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Is this GC Story a Fake? Nautical Knowledge Required
- Replies: 13
- Views: 6231
Re: Is this GC Story a Fake? Nautical Knowledge Required
Thank you consiglieri! Really looking forward to your GC post mortem!
- Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:02 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: More Drama
- Replies: 32
- Views: 25885
- Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:32 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: More Drama
- Replies: 32
- Views: 25885
Re: More Drama
It may not hurt to recognize that the LDS church does not have a monopoly on eternal families. In fact, it is one of the few religions that teaches that eternal families are conditional. In almost all other churches, it is simply understood that you will see each other and be with each other again. ...
- Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:01 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: New Dan Peterson article mocking those who question the First Vision accounts... pure insanity.
- Replies: 13
- Views: 7223
Re: New Dan Peterson article mocking those who question the First Vision accounts... pure insanity.
Two other accounts, recorded in Joseph’s earliest autobiography as well as in a later journal, were essentially lost and forgotten until the 1960s, when historians working for the LDS Church rediscovered them and very quickly published them. I haven't finished reading yet, but damn this makes me so...
- Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:21 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: LDS corp reading posts and following people
- Replies: 24
- Views: 12301
- Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:00 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Is this GC Story a Fake? Nautical Knowledge Required
- Replies: 13
- Views: 6231
Re: Is this GC Story a Fake? Nautical Knowledge Required
I think I remember reading/hearing a debunking of this story somewhere. I'll have to look around. My take on this one would be that the captain and engineer were panicking. They could not think clearly because the ship was in trouble and they were in the middle of a storm. While the story was being ...
- Thu May 31, 2018 10:02 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: New Calling
- Replies: 12
- Views: 8095
Re: New Calling
I'm currently a (closeted, non-believing) bishopric counselor, and it sucks. One of the redeeming points is the chance I have to get to know people better. I am not an extrovert by any stretch, and while I've always had "friends" in whatever ward I've been in, they've always been measured by quality...
- Wed May 30, 2018 9:02 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: More Drama
- Replies: 32
- Views: 25885
Re: More Drama
That is a lot to handle all at once slavereeno. We're here for you. The worst part is this all seems to be happening in concert with my FC and the budding of DWs FC, which just seems to make everything worse. I would be afraid of thoughts like "We're stepping away from the Chruch and God gives us th...
Re: Too much
- Thu May 24, 2018 8:23 am
- Forum: Introductions
- Topic: Hello, I’m new
- Replies: 36
- Views: 26172
Re: Hello, I’m new
I'm a bit late here, but I wanted to welcome you to the group Somegirl. You're right about needing support for this type of life-event. Everything else I've been through I could count on friends, my wife, my family. But in this, all bets are off. It affects everyone so differently. I had some people...
- Wed May 23, 2018 10:44 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Evolving temple experience
- Replies: 29
- Views: 20837
Re: Evolving temple experience
Not to be too blunt but why would you trust your parents and/or church authorities if they are asking you to do something that doesn't make sense? Especially if you eventually find out that they were lying. Because I did trust my parents about most everything, especially the church. They are my par...
- Sun May 20, 2018 6:04 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Evolving temple experience
- Replies: 29
- Views: 20837
Re: Evolving temple experience
When does it make sense, to do something, that doesn't make sense? When you trust the person who asked you to do it, or you trust someone who says that it works, or you have direct experience that it works. This. I feel that most of us spent most of our lives trusting parents and/or church authorit...
- Sun May 20, 2018 11:28 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Evolving temple experience
- Replies: 29
- Views: 20837
Re: Evolving temple experience
I think because the reality of the church's claims must exist entirely your head, whether you get cardboard or filet mignon depends on whether you believe in the claims. If you do, it can be a feast. If you don't, you struggle to find any nutritional value at all. The only non-cardboard I found in ...
- Sat May 19, 2018 4:58 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Evolving temple experience
- Replies: 29
- Views: 20837
Evolving temple experience
Through a strange twist of fate I was unable to get out of a trip to the temple for an endowment session today. This marked the first time I've gone to the temple (for endowments) in nearly two years. The last time was just a couple weeks after I first started learning about the church's truth crisi...
- Sat May 12, 2018 5:40 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Priesthood Restoration timeline - Official church narrative vs Historical timeline
- Replies: 41
- Views: 20958
Re: Priesthood Restoration timeline - Official church narrative vs Historical timeline
I'm late to this party, but this is exactly what I was looking for a couple of weeks ago. Well done jfro18! Three cheers for you! I agree with the comment about adding some context. Competing seer stones and Alger specifically. It could also be beneficial to include some of the text that changed as ...
- Mon May 07, 2018 8:32 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: What major points of LDS (priesthood/temples/spirit world/polygamy/etc) are derived from the Book of Mormon?
- Replies: 14
- Views: 8280
Re: What major points of LDS (priesthood/temples/spirit world/polygamy/etc) are derived from the Book of Mormon?
I apologize in advance for my rambling, I was just reading about this myself this weekend. I still have no final conclusions. As for Alma 13 and Melchizedek... Modern bible scholars are divided as to whether Melchizedek was even a real person at all. His name literally translates into "King of right...
- Mon May 07, 2018 7:34 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: My "no one-on-one interviews with my daughter" experience
- Replies: 12
- Views: 6706
Re: My "no one-on-one interviews with my daughter" experience
... the effect of his questioning is that DD comes in excited to go to the temple, and comes out feeling gross and creeped out. She goes in respecting the bishop and comes out thinking he's -quote- "creepy". I told him that even though he may have good intentions, I don't think he realizes the effe...
- Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:44 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Strategy #9: How to stop wearing garments.
- Replies: 15
- Views: 9028
Re: Strategy #9: How to stop wearing garments.
This transition is unpredictable with a TBM spouse. My wife's acceptance of me not wearing garments has not translated to other church areas like the WoW or church attendance. Also, when things get rough between us, the garment issue still occasionally pops up. Not that she wants me to wear them ne...
- Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:40 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Strategy #9: How to stop wearing garments.
- Replies: 15
- Views: 9028
Re: Strategy #9: How to stop wearing garments.
LOL, just getting to this now Red Ryder! This is gold!
I'm really curious about the other strategies. We know there are at least 10. We seek further light and knowledge!
I'm really curious about the other strategies. We know there are at least 10. We seek further light and knowledge!
- Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:37 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Collective self-deception
- Replies: 9
- Views: 7018
Re: Collective self-deception
Man, I wish I had more time to be logged into NOM and follow these threads closer. This is good stuff! Also, is it just me or has anybody else over their transition grown to loath the word "doctrine"? After reading Harrell's This is my Doctrine , I'm convinced the church has no "True" doctrine at al...