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by græy
Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:12 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is this GC Story a Fake? Nautical Knowledge Required
Replies: 13
Views: 6231

Re: Is this GC Story a Fake? Nautical Knowledge Required

Thank you consiglieri! Really looking forward to your GC post mortem!
by græy
Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: More Drama
Replies: 32
Views: 25885

Re: More Drama

wtfluff wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:31 am
(Pssssst: You forgot the magic underoos.)
Oops! You're right, I forgot the other group-binding-but-otherwise-useless rule. We certainly can't get into super VIP heaven without those. Good catch.
by græy
Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:32 am
Forum: Support
Topic: More Drama
Replies: 32
Views: 25885

Re: More Drama

It may not hurt to recognize that the LDS church does not have a monopoly on eternal families. In fact, it is one of the few religions that teaches that eternal families are conditional. In almost all other churches, it is simply understood that you will see each other and be with each other again. ...
by græy
Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New Dan Peterson article mocking those who question the First Vision accounts... pure insanity.
Replies: 13
Views: 7223

Re: New Dan Peterson article mocking those who question the First Vision accounts... pure insanity.

Two other accounts, recorded in Joseph’s earliest autobiography as well as in a later journal, were essentially lost and forgotten until the 1960s, when historians working for the LDS Church rediscovered them and very quickly published them. I haven't finished reading yet, but damn this makes me so...
by græy
Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: LDS corp reading posts and following people
Replies: 24
Views: 12301

Re: LDS corp reading posts and following people

Red Ryder wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:04 am
I'll be happy to complete an exit interview with the Correlation Research Apostles & Prophets (aka the CRAP leadership) as soon as I get a full refund of all my past tithes and offerings.
LOL! You're the goose the keeps on giving. I love your posts!
by græy
Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is this GC Story a Fake? Nautical Knowledge Required
Replies: 13
Views: 6231

Re: Is this GC Story a Fake? Nautical Knowledge Required

I think I remember reading/hearing a debunking of this story somewhere. I'll have to look around. My take on this one would be that the captain and engineer were panicking. They could not think clearly because the ship was in trouble and they were in the middle of a storm. While the story was being ...
by græy
Thu May 31, 2018 10:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: New Calling
Replies: 12
Views: 8095

Re: New Calling

I'm currently a (closeted, non-believing) bishopric counselor, and it sucks. One of the redeeming points is the chance I have to get to know people better. I am not an extrovert by any stretch, and while I've always had "friends" in whatever ward I've been in, they've always been measured by quality...
by græy
Wed May 30, 2018 9:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: More Drama
Replies: 32
Views: 25885

Re: More Drama

That is a lot to handle all at once slavereeno. We're here for you. The worst part is this all seems to be happening in concert with my FC and the budding of DWs FC, which just seems to make everything worse. I would be afraid of thoughts like "We're stepping away from the Chruch and God gives us th...
by græy
Wed May 30, 2018 8:55 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Too much
Replies: 7
Views: 5837

Re: Too much

moksha wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 8:00 pm
Red Ryder wrote:
Tue May 29, 2018 5:26 pm
She knew he was a quite the oral cunning linguist and possibly dictated the whole thing. :lol:
Historian Colonel Angus would most likely agree with your analysis, but his fellow historian Felice EiIattto might describe him as a blowhard.
Wait a second... what are we talking about here? :lol:
by græy
Thu May 24, 2018 8:23 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hello, I’m new
Replies: 36
Views: 26172

Re: Hello, I’m new

I'm a bit late here, but I wanted to welcome you to the group Somegirl. You're right about needing support for this type of life-event. Everything else I've been through I could count on friends, my wife, my family. But in this, all bets are off. It affects everyone so differently. I had some people...
by græy
Wed May 23, 2018 10:44 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Evolving temple experience
Replies: 29
Views: 20837

Re: Evolving temple experience

Not to be too blunt but why would you trust your parents and/or church authorities if they are asking you to do something that doesn't make sense? Especially if you eventually find out that they were lying. Because I did trust my parents about most everything, especially the church. They are my par...
by græy
Sun May 20, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Evolving temple experience
Replies: 29
Views: 20837

Re: Evolving temple experience

When does it make sense, to do something, that doesn't make sense? When you trust the person who asked you to do it, or you trust someone who says that it works, or you have direct experience that it works. This. I feel that most of us spent most of our lives trusting parents and/or church authorit...
by græy
Sun May 20, 2018 11:28 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Evolving temple experience
Replies: 29
Views: 20837

Re: Evolving temple experience

I think because the reality of the church's claims must exist entirely your head, whether you get cardboard or filet mignon depends on whether you believe in the claims. If you do, it can be a feast. If you don't, you struggle to find any nutritional value at all. The only non-cardboard I found in ...
by græy
Sat May 19, 2018 4:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Evolving temple experience
Replies: 29
Views: 20837

Evolving temple experience

Through a strange twist of fate I was unable to get out of a trip to the temple for an endowment session today. This marked the first time I've gone to the temple (for endowments) in nearly two years. The last time was just a couple weeks after I first started learning about the church's truth crisi...
by græy
Sat May 12, 2018 5:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Priesthood Restoration timeline - Official church narrative vs Historical timeline
Replies: 41
Views: 20958

Re: Priesthood Restoration timeline - Official church narrative vs Historical timeline

I'm late to this party, but this is exactly what I was looking for a couple of weeks ago. Well done jfro18! Three cheers for you! I agree with the comment about adding some context. Competing seer stones and Alger specifically. It could also be beneficial to include some of the text that changed as ...
by græy
Mon May 07, 2018 8:32 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What major points of LDS (priesthood/temples/spirit world/polygamy/etc) are derived from the Book of Mormon?
Replies: 14
Views: 8280

Re: What major points of LDS (priesthood/temples/spirit world/polygamy/etc) are derived from the Book of Mormon?

I apologize in advance for my rambling, I was just reading about this myself this weekend. I still have no final conclusions. As for Alma 13 and Melchizedek... Modern bible scholars are divided as to whether Melchizedek was even a real person at all. His name literally translates into "King of right...
by græy
Mon May 07, 2018 7:34 am
Forum: Support
Topic: My "no one-on-one interviews with my daughter" experience
Replies: 12
Views: 6706

Re: My "no one-on-one interviews with my daughter" experience

... the effect of his questioning is that DD comes in excited to go to the temple, and comes out feeling gross and creeped out. She goes in respecting the bishop and comes out thinking he's -quote- "creepy". I told him that even though he may have good intentions, I don't think he realizes the effe...
by græy
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Strategy #9: How to stop wearing garments.
Replies: 15
Views: 9028

Re: Strategy #9: How to stop wearing garments.

This transition is unpredictable with a TBM spouse. My wife's acceptance of me not wearing garments has not translated to other church areas like the WoW or church attendance. Also, when things get rough between us, the garment issue still occasionally pops up. Not that she wants me to wear them ne...
by græy
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:40 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Strategy #9: How to stop wearing garments.
Replies: 15
Views: 9028

Re: Strategy #9: How to stop wearing garments.

LOL, just getting to this now Red Ryder! This is gold!

I'm really curious about the other strategies. We know there are at least 10. We seek further light and knowledge!
by græy
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:37 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Collective self-deception
Replies: 9
Views: 7018

Re: Collective self-deception

Man, I wish I had more time to be logged into NOM and follow these threads closer. This is good stuff! Also, is it just me or has anybody else over their transition grown to loath the word "doctrine"? After reading Harrell's This is my Doctrine , I'm convinced the church has no "True" doctrine at al...