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wtfluff wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:09 pm

AllieOop wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:24 pm

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Believe it or not, I contained myself, haha.

Please stop doing that.

We need all the information.

ALL of it.

Be careful what you wish for

I do love answering questions though and learning more too!

Did BY himself believe that these people from Arkansas were evil and deserved to be killed or did he know that they were good people and he was just wanting them killed for their property? Was he cynical or did he really believe this delusion he helped create? Well, I can give my opinion, but I bel...

Thanks so much for these posts Allie. This is really important to try to get a clear picture of this atrocity. I've learned a lot. Those statements by BY look like they needed more scrutiny by me in retrospect. I was naive about his motives. I can now see that they contain plausible deniability and...

I never had the privilege of meeting him in person... I worked with Will when we were both young men. Unfortunately I had no idea of his interests (or maybe they hadn't blossomed yet) and I was too concerned with trying to be a faithful Latter-Day Saint at the time to have allowed myself to take th...

Thanks for the insight Allie! I wonder what will happen with Will Bagley’s research materials and information he’s collected now that he has died? Hello RR!! :) I would imagine his wife, Laura has all of his files, documents and writings. She is a researcher and historian as well. But, what a treas...

If one knows what was going on in Utah at that time (the reformation), the members were terrified of BY. Many had tried to leave Utah and were hunted down and killed. He ruled with an iron fist. I personally believe that no one would massacre members of a wagon train on their own, but only if BY or...

Wasn't there something weird about how the order not to kill was worded? Something about "Let the Indians do what they will." I thought there was a possibility that he was just asking for the members not to get caught and to blame it on the Paiutes. The message was written to Isaac C. Haight, who w...

I thought Blood of the Prophets by Will Bagley was a good source for a lot of the information. I'm not sure I believe BY ordered the massacre, but it's clear that he tried to protect those who carried it out, at least until it was politically feasible to throw one man under the bus. No one research...

As for the way things turned out, should we blame Joseph Smith or Mormon God? Those were pretty much the same thing at the time. Or, at least, one was the source of the other. I would add to the list the intervention of George A. Smith, who rode from Salt Lake City to St. George just before the mas...

I know about the trumped-up lies that led to the massacre, but why were the people in the Baker-Francher train seen as such a threat that they had to die? After conversing with Will Bagley back and forth (and reading his books), I came to believe the main motive was wealth (I also must add that I b...

This is from Radio Free Mormon. A viewer had sent him an interview with Dan Lafferty that Tom Barberi had conducted in 2000. The stuff out of nightmares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLzT7yCGON8 Wow....I just listened to this! So cold and absolutely no remorse. I haven't watched the TV series, b...

Back on the old board it was tradition that on Halloween and April Fools day, people who felt comfortable doing so, would change their profile picture to their real photo. I always love seeing the faces of those who feel safe sharing! I don't have my avatar pic saved on this computer and I'm afraid...

Does anyone know if the BYU Black Student Union is an official organization at BYU? I never knew it existed, but I'm glad it's there. It's listed as a "Club": https://multicultural.byu.edu/clubs Here's the description: "For the purposes of intellectually, socially, and culturally enriching the BYU ...

Just goes to show the church is continuing to dodge and hide the fact the priesthood ban wasn’t “from God”, but rather from the racist Brigham Young. Perhaps its time to throw Brother Brigham under the bus, apologize for past racism and come out and say the priesthood ban was wrong. Then rename BYU...

Well, Wilcox will most likely never speak in General Conference again at least (he spoke at a session in October, 2021). Elder Ponderize gave his talk in 2015, and he spokse again 3 years later at GC. Granted, Brad's blunder is far worse, but the church does like to show it is in charge. Yes, true!...

It'll be interesting to see how the leaders handle this. Prediction: a newsroom release that gushes about how much the church loves and embraces all of God's children. No specific public criticism or censure of Wilcox. Wilcox quietly goes away to a special calling. Debi falls silent. There's anothe...

These types of things have happened before. The Q15's advisors tell them to just wait it out. Eventually the faithful forget that it ever happened. Yes, no statement from the leaders....yet. They will maybe just allow others to speak for them. Here's the one from BYU (they posted a statement on Feb...

…eating popcorn…..this is an amazing $hit show to watch….did the question of why white people didn’t get priesthood for one thousand eight hundred twenty nine years ever get answered? I mean….that’s the question we should be asking…shoving more popcorn in my mouth…. Well, Wilcox definitely showed a...

Hi, River Morgan here. For those who didn't participate in the old NOM board, I'm a GOF* 😂 and mouthy to boot. i'm BIC and still a member of record, but out for almost a decade. I raised a family as a good Primary President mommy though and they are all still very much in, to my sorrow. I see probl...

Hi, River Morgan here. For those who didn't participate in the old NOM board, I'm a GOF* 😂 and mouthy to boot. i'm BIC and still a member of record, but out for almost a decade. I raised a family as a good Primary President mommy though and they are all still very much in, to my sorrow. I see probl...