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by Palerider
Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:16 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Ken Jennings a NOM?
Replies: 15
Views: 8322

Re: Ken Jennings a NOM?

Did you grow up believing in Heaven and Hell? Yeah! And, to some degree, I still do, perhaps more out of a sense of aesthetics than conviction. Like, wouldn’t it be so much nicer if there were something bigger? But, growing up in the Mormon faith, that’s a very complicated, esoteric Heaven that’s t...
by Palerider
Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:11 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: A positive thing about Utah
Replies: 12
Views: 1602

Re: A positive thing about Utah

When I go on the "Rez" (reservation) or to the Powwows, I see fry bread done in both a savory and a sweet configuration. My mother, who was not raised Mormon was taught by my grandmother to make the sweet scones from when she was a child. Love both versions.
by Palerider
Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Reasons to resign
Replies: 17
Views: 1893

Re: Reasons to resign

Number 1. The church is phony and dishonest. Number 2. I resigned because as long as you are a member of record, the church usurps to itself the privilege of dealing with you how they see fit and on their terms......not yours. I'm a hunter, thus the following analogy. The church is like a bull elk t...
by Palerider
Wed May 31, 2023 10:07 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: So Many podcasts, so little time.
Replies: 23
Views: 3741

Re: So Many podcasts, so little time.

I do a mixture of different podcasts as well. Depends mostly on whether I think I can learn something new. I doubt that there are many folks in that 65-85 age group that are watching these but the effect on 15-45 year olds must be devastating for the church. Leadership must be turning themselves ins...
by Palerider
Mon May 22, 2023 8:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Another Utah man kills family
Replies: 12
Views: 8674

Re: Another Utah man kills family

That may be the way it is in some town in Utah but in other parts of the country the police and other organizations are prepared to help women and children in abusive situations. They can be sheltered. As a part of our "tithing", we now donate to a local shelter for abused women and children. They d...
by Palerider
Sun May 21, 2023 8:58 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Another Utah man kills family
Replies: 12
Views: 8674

Re: Another Utah man kills family

Interesting that the "in-laws" frequently seem to be involved in these cases. President Spencer W. Kimball used to say that after a couple were married the in-laws needed to butt out and let the couple solve their own problems. Which I agree with totally. In-laws are not experts or professionals. An...
by Palerider
Fri May 12, 2023 9:51 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: 60 Minutes this week: LDS & SEC
Replies: 27
Views: 2715

Re: 60 Minutes this week: LDS & SEC

I just did a search and found this as well as an article from the SLC Trib.

https://www.saltlakemagazine.com/lds-ch ... 0-minutes/

I'm looking forward to watching this even though I'm not a big 60 Minutes fan.
by Palerider
Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:53 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?
Replies: 29
Views: 3768

Re: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?

The thing to ask is if there is any archeological evidence for the great wars that are fought in the BoM. It would be interesting to see how they get around that.
by Palerider
Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:48 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Godless
Replies: 2
Views: 499

Godless

Watching this fictional, dark themed Western on Netflix called "Godless". The main antagonist (deep sociopath) is a character who, as a young child, was part of the Fancher party that was massacred at Mountain Meadows. He was under 8 years of age and so spared of death but then raised by one Isaac H...
by Palerider
Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:25 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Technical difficulties and safety certificate
Replies: 9
Views: 934

Re: Technical difficulties and safety certificate

Glad to see NOM back. Thought maybe the quasi-cult had sabotaged the website.
by Palerider
Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?
Replies: 29
Views: 3768

Re: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?

Does anyone know if that "If god commanded it" exemption clause was in the original text of the BoM? Or was it something added as part of the "re-editing" the occurred over the JS years to update the book to his evolving theology? Just checked. Original text reads the same. https://bookofmormoncent...
by Palerider
Tue Apr 18, 2023 3:36 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?
Replies: 29
Views: 3768

Re: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?

It's interesting there's no polygamy in the BOM; like the other thread Red started about predator vs opportunist. I guess we really don't know when JS first started thinking about polygamy; I'm guessing at a pretty young age if the stories about his bible study are true, but he did not write it up ...
by Palerider
Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?
Replies: 29
Views: 3768

Re: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?

I'm of the opinion the story of Shiz and Coriantumr was inspired by the Legend of Sleepy Hollow and the headless horseman. It was written in 1820 and is considered one of America's first classic spooky/horror stories. Quite popular in the culture. Joseph probably observed the general public being no...
by Palerider
Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:21 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Joseph Smith “sexual predator” label?
Replies: 23
Views: 2415

Re: Joseph Smith “sexual predator” label?

I'm trying to remember the term used by the church for young men who have had multiple sex partners before their mission. If I recall, leadership drew a distinction between a young couple in love, who had "made a mistake" and a young man who had been "predatory" in his relationships with young women...
by Palerider
Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:52 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Historical details do not carry the saving power…
Replies: 16
Views: 1487

Re: Historical details do not carry the saving power…

The problem these idiots truly don't understand is that covenants and ordinances performed on earth by men, have no intrinsic saving power. In Christ's time the "ordinances" were burnt offerings and animal sacrifices. Mark 12:33 reads: "And to love him (God) with all the heart, and with all the unde...
by Palerider
Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:16 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Alcohol?
Replies: 23
Views: 3756

Re: Alcohol?

I tried alcohol a few times as a teen. Nothing good ever came from those few times.

My younger brother is alcoholic and I've had to watch what it did to his life. Not a fun movie.
by Palerider
Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:27 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Covenant Path... where's the trailhead?
Replies: 18
Views: 1282

Re: Covenant Path... where's the trailhead?

My in-laws, who fancy themselves as dyed-in-the-wool TBMs but are in reality cafeteria Mormons in a big way, would do better to call it the "Convenient Path".
by Palerider
Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Covenant Path... where's the trailhead?
Replies: 18
Views: 1282

Re: Covenant Path... where's the trailhead?

Red Ryder wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:09 am
Palerider wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:12 am
I've always thought "Covenant Path" is nondescriptive.

The "Exploitation Treadmill" works better for me.
Covenant treadmill has a nice ring to it.
Even better!
by Palerider
Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:12 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Covenant Path... where's the trailhead?
Replies: 18
Views: 1282

Re: Covenant Path... where's the trailhead?

I've always thought "Covenant Path" is nondescriptive.

The "Exploitation Treadmill" works better for me.
by Palerider
Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:29 am
Forum: Support
Topic: So... my friend was just promoted to General Authority
Replies: 17
Views: 1408

Re: So... my friend was just promoted to General Authority

Does your friend have a white ceramic bowl and pitcher on display in their home? I haven't been inside his house since I learned about the sacred artifacts. He doesn't seem like the type to put them on display anyway. The ones I have seen (in use at the time) were a nice quality stainless steel. To...