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by oliver_denom
Wed May 02, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A majority (52%) of young Mormons believe same-sex marriage should be legal
Replies: 12
Views: 7102

Re: A majority (52%) of young Mormons believe same-sex marriage should be legal

For fair marriage equality, I would like to see the return of polygamy and polyandry later on. Otherwise we are just promoting and supporting LGTB and not other marriage union choices that should not be Illegal and discriminated against. Sigh. If you want to promote that, it's a separate topic. Sup...
by oliver_denom
Tue May 01, 2018 1:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A majority (52%) of young Mormons believe same-sex marriage should be legal
Replies: 12
Views: 7102

A majority (52%) of young Mormons believe same-sex marriage should be legal

The generational shift favoring same sex marriage has even won inside the Mormon church. https://www.prri.org/research/emerging-consensus-on-lgbt-issues-findings-from-the-2017-american-values-atlas/ Mormons from 2013 to 2017 as a whole dropped in opposition to same sex marriage from 68% opposed to 5...
by oliver_denom
Tue May 01, 2018 6:34 am
Forum: Support
Topic: How feasible is the middle way?
Replies: 22
Views: 13066

Re: How feasible is the middle way?

The middle way works if you have a community who will accept this, like a type of reform Judaism where what's important is belonging to the tribe, not any particular belief or practice. But the more fundamentalist your community, the harder it will be to make this work because they are unable to rec...
by oliver_denom
Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Horses in the Book of Mormon
Replies: 30
Views: 16908

Re: Horses in the Book of Mormon

I love this slip of an admission up front: Some of the things that seem “plain” to us are not so “plain” upon further investigation or once we understand the culture that produced the text. The text is simple and straight forward, let me spend the next half hour confusing you with nonsense to help k...
by oliver_denom
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Was The Late War *really* heavily used for the BoM? Apologists really muddy the water here...
Replies: 17
Views: 10001

Re: Was The Late War *really* heavily used for the BoM? Apologists really muddy the water here...

If someone wants to believe that the Book of Mormon is an ancient text translated into English from ancient golden plates, then FAIR Mormon can create enough doubt in scientific, archeological, historical, linguistic, and literary scholarship to allow for that belief. It's not difficult to create a ...
by oliver_denom
Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:33 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I need a book recommendation
Replies: 15
Views: 7048

Re: I need a book recommendation

Jonathon Haidt's "The Righteous Mind" is an audio book.
by oliver_denom
Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:02 am
Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
Topic: "If you read the BoM, your babies will cry less"
Replies: 14
Views: 11205

Re: "If you read the BoM, your babies will cry less"

One of the sister missionaries spoke in SM last week, and was gushing about how the BoM will change your life. At one point, she emphatically promised, "If you read every single day, I promise you that your life will get better. Everything will get better, even your babies will cry less!" It wasn't...
by oliver_denom
Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:30 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Ex-Mormonism is just as crazy as Mormonism!
Replies: 27
Views: 13715

Re: Ex-Mormonism is just as crazy as Mormonism!

In that light, I too find the strident exmormon as irritating as any strident mormon, and that includes reddit. I don't need to be told that going to church "supports the system," that calling for any possible change merely perpetuates the organization, and I have to drag my loved ones kicking and ...
by oliver_denom
Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:22 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Poll: Mormon identity and its effect on emotional health
Replies: 17
Views: 9446

Re: Poll: Mormon identity and its effect on emotional health

I don't identify myself that way to others. I've actively told friends and co-workers that I'm no longer Mormon, but I haven't told family or other members who know me. To them, I just don't bring up religion at all. It's a mixed bag. Mormonism is without a doubt the biggest influence on my life. It...
by oliver_denom
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:39 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I've decided I'm not going to church anymore as of today... Now what?
Replies: 14
Views: 6897

Re: I've decided I'm not going to church anymore as of today... Now what?

Perfigliano wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:55 am

Now I have this god-shaped hole in my life and I'm not sure what to fill it with. Suggestions?
My guess is that that hole in your life isn't God, but something masquerading as God. Spend your time figuring out what that is, then fill that hole with girl scout cookies. Works every time.
by oliver_denom
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:05 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Just received 'Correlation Research Department Survey'
Replies: 26
Views: 16779

Re: Just received 'Correlation Research Department Survey'

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:46 pm
oliver_denom wrote:I received my gift card. It's 6.00 USD.
Who says there's no such thing as half a free lunch?
I may use it to buy a big box of Cheez-It's from Amazon pantry.
by oliver_denom
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:31 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Just received 'Correlation Research Department Survey'
Replies: 26
Views: 16779

Re: Just received 'Correlation Research Department Survey'

I received my gift card. It's 6.00 USD.
by oliver_denom
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: 3 Things I have questions about
Replies: 22
Views: 16586

Re: 3 Things I have questions about

Im wearing a bag with a sweater over and pants under. The outline of my knees through the capris you think? And this is worse than having been gay - married? Should I take a lover? Yes, it's worse. You don't give off the right signals that you're one of the tribe. In Mormonism, "one of us" means "g...
by oliver_denom
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:51 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Ex-Mormonism is just as crazy as Mormonism!
Replies: 27
Views: 13715

Re: Ex-Mormonism is just as crazy as Mormonism!

That reddit sub is just where people land when they're in that particular stage of faith transition. I agree with others here in pointing out that it's temporary, but since there is a constant churn of voices, it creates the illusion of perpetuity. Sometimes being this way helps people reframe their...
by oliver_denom
Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:17 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Believe in basic Christianity
Replies: 13
Views: 12824

Re: Believe in basic Christianity

Hi: I don't believe much in the church anymore but I still believe in the Christian basics . I think Joseph was a complete fraud as others have stated on this board . I have tried the nuanced view but found that only works for a while. Can a person hang on in the church to satisfy his TBM spouse wh...
by oliver_denom
Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:46 am
Forum: Support
Topic: President Nelson's Message to Kenya
Replies: 22
Views: 15364

Re: President Nelson's Message to Kenya

"I will share with them the importance of us having temple recommends," he said, "that tithing is going to break the cycle of poverty." So put your shillings on Joseph to win at 10-1 odds. You'll clean up at the payout window. IF their tithing was used to reinvest directly back into the community w...
by oliver_denom
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Neil Anderson's BYU Devotional address - 4/10/18....
Replies: 32
Views: 16691

Re: Elder Neil Anderson's BYU Devotional address - 4/10/18....

In a few short decades we've literally gone from openly mocking ministers in our endowment ceremony to openly embracing the title as our own. It would be as if we began calling the conference center our "great and spacious building" without irony.
by oliver_denom
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Neil Anderson's BYU Devotional address - 4/10/18....
Replies: 32
Views: 16691

Re: Elder Neil Anderson's BYU Devotional address - 4/10/18....

Don’t worry it is bound to get worse. You have a guy (Nelson) who doesn’t believe that God loves us unconditionally and says so from the pulpit, God only loves us IF we jump through the correct hoopes. He is married to a woman ( Wendy who has the same name and is the same age as his daughters )who ...
by oliver_denom
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Buckle up, apocalypse imminent!
Replies: 52
Views: 30198

Re: Buckle up, apocalypse imminent!

BTW, what happened to all the year supply talks in GC?? Seems like I hear so little of that these days, shouldn't that be ramping up as the Effing alpca-lips gets ever so damn close!? :x :x :x It will be coming back soon. The year 2030 is a 200 year anniversary for the church, and roughly 2000 year...
by oliver_denom
Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:26 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The Emperors New Clothes
Replies: 12
Views: 7112

Re: The Emperors New Clothes

This is how I've felt listen to people talk about the last conference being filled with revelation. They basically reorganized a Sunday school class and changed a few minor details about how they harass active and inactive members. I've read Mormon revelations. I was brought to memorize them, live m...