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by Not Buying It
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:53 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Racist Incident at Duke/BYU Volleyball Game
Replies: 18
Views: 2519

Re: Racist Incident at Duke/BYU Volleyball Game

Investigation concludes man who was banned did not yell racial slurs. I saw this earlier and read the article and the article does not say the slurs did not happen but that the person identified doesn't appear to have done it. So question now is... did this happen and they just IDed the wrong perso...
by Not Buying It
Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:02 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Racist Incident at Duke/BYU Volleyball Game
Replies: 18
Views: 2519

Re: Racist Incident at Duke/BYU Volleyball Game

They could start with renaming BYU. That would be a start, but wouldn’t solve the problem. They would have to work much harder than just disowning Randy Botts to get rid of the doctrine about anyone of African descent was less valiant in the pre-existence. Yeah, what Randy Bott said was inexcusable...
by Not Buying It
Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:47 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Racist Incident at Duke/BYU Volleyball Game
Replies: 18
Views: 2519

Re: Racist Incident at Duke/BYU Volleyball Game

I thought this post from Sistas in Zion was pretty good even though I know people have mixed opinions on that account in general: In 2018 our church announced it’s relationship with the NAACP, we’ve got photo ops, church news articles, tours of welfare square, speeches, and monetary donations. What...
by Not Buying It
Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:56 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Racist Incident at Duke/BYU Volleyball Game
Replies: 18
Views: 2519

Racist Incident at Duke/BYU Volleyball Game

MSNBC just posted an article indicating that the recent racist incident at the Duke/BYU volleyball game was actually just part of a long line of problematic incidents involving BYU sports, rather than a one-off: https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/byu-fan-called-duke-players-n-word-was-only-...
by Not Buying It
Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:14 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The Mormon church releases ANOTHER statement going after the AP
Replies: 38
Views: 4460

Re: The Mormon church releases ANOTHER statement going after the AP

Well, you need to understand who the second press release is for. They know they can't convince the world at large, this is just to reassure members. I mean, obviously, their systems are messed up if they knew about the abuse and allowed it to continue, no press release is going to save their bacon ...
by Not Buying It
Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:00 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Kevin Pearson
Replies: 9
Views: 2230

Re: Elder Kevin Pearson

This guy came right out of arguably the worst part of corporate America, and he seems to act like members are the employees of a churlish employer. I put this guy ahead of Bednar for toolyness. He seems to be trying hard for a front row red chair. Hoping he makes emeritus age first. Sounds like the...
by Not Buying It
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:56 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Effectivemess of the Great Re-Branding
Replies: 4
Views: 1111

Re: Effectivemess of the Great Re-Branding

I'm not a good person to ask, I don't pay attention anymore. But I will tell you this - for someone who is supposed to be a mouthpiece of the Almighty, its a piss poor showing as a prophet, seer, and revelator when the best you can point to as evidence of your prophetic mantle is renaming some dumb ...
by Not Buying It
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:03 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Kevin Pearson
Replies: 9
Views: 2230

Re: Elder Kevin Pearson

There's a link to the talk on the LDS Freedom Forum website, but I'll be damned if I am going to provide a link that sends any traffic to that site. You can go there on your own if you want and find it as long as I am not directly responsible for sending you there. Dude's a tool. "God already told t...
by Not Buying It
Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:15 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Sinking in how racist the Church made me
Replies: 3
Views: 726

Re: Sinking in how racist the Church made me

ETA - Alas' comment about Hispanics reminds that Utah is NOT a low diversity area. I was wrong. I will be better. That is something I need to work on as well. I sometimes tell people where I grew up everyone was white, but that isn't true, we had a small but visible Hispanic population in Idaho. Bu...
by Not Buying It
Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:20 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Sinking in how racist the Church made me
Replies: 3
Views: 726

Sinking in how racist the Church made me

Yesterday I was helping to lead a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion activity at the institution where I work which involved a lot of sharing of personal experiences. I had never shared this with anyone at work, but I told everyone how I was raised in a religion that taught me that people were born bl...
by Not Buying It
Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:42 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Church Statement on AP article - training of those who work with children?
Replies: 12
Views: 1576

Re: Church Statement on AP article - training of those who work with children?

..but it's something the church can point to and say, "look, we do stuff!" Which is the only reason they even did this...like so much in LDS culture it is all about the appearance over the substance. -lost Yes, and I should also note that the timing was clearly a response to the Prophet Sam Young's...
by Not Buying It
Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:50 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Church Statement on AP article - training of those who work with children?
Replies: 12
Views: 1576

Church Statement on AP article - training of those who work with children?

So the Church has released a statement on the AP article: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/church-offers-statement-help-line-abuse Help me out with this statement: Any member serving in a role with children or youth is required to complete a training every few years about how to watc...
by Not Buying It
Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:43 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Convinced the Q15 know the truth
Replies: 15
Views: 1983

Re: Convinced the Q15 know the truth

This one? https://youtu.be/qI4nsngvcGw Well, keep in mind the source of the story is George P. Lee. This George P. Lee: https://www.deseret.com/1994/10/11/19135762/lee-accepts-plea-bargain-in-child-sexual-abuse-case I guess I am not convinced by a story whose provenance is George P. Lee to Ogden Kr...
by Not Buying It
Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:48 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Convinced the Q15 know the truth
Replies: 15
Views: 1983

Re: Convinced the Q15 know the truth

Oh, I don't know that someone as arrogant as Bruce McConkie is capable of the self-examination a deathbed confession would require. I'm skeptical. As for the Q15 knowing, I think they know and they don't. They know the Church doesn't work the way most members think it does, they know there are some ...
by Not Buying It
Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:37 am
Forum: Support
Topic: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:20) - Seven years of sex abuse: How Mormon officials let it happen
Replies: 28
Views: 4023

Re: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:20) - Seven years of sex abuse: How Mormon officials let it happen

First, I want to express support for anyone of you who ever experienced something like this. Second, the Church's response to situations like this tells you everything you need to know about the organization really - there is little concern for the victims, the organization's focus is always on defe...
by Not Buying It
Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:37 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Renlund story makes me mad
Replies: 18
Views: 2559

Re: Renlund story makes me mad

No non-member who heard this talk would be at all interested in whether the proper wording was used because they would be too busy trying to figure out what kind of bizarre cult even has a healing ritual like that.
by Not Buying It
Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:13 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Did Robert Kirby retire?
Replies: 8
Views: 1761

Re: Did Robert Kirby retire?

How would you like to have a name like Gordon Monson? Ouch. I'd have changed that in a heartbeat.
by Not Buying It
Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Losing our Eternal Families
Replies: 10
Views: 1744

Re: Losing our Eternal Families

What does an eternal family even look like? A man and one or more women, sure. But you aren't gonna be living in a house with your kids - and their kids, and their kids' kids, and on and on ad infinitum. People picture it as being with with spouse(s) and kids, but the kids will have families of thei...
by Not Buying It
Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The church is burning printing presses
Replies: 16
Views: 3087

Re: The church is burning printing presses

Let me make sure I understand this - the Church pressured a publication they do not own to remove an article that was less then flattering about them? That's outrageous. No organization, religious or otherwise, should have the kind of power that allows them to censor an article in a publication they...
by Not Buying It
Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:46 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Source Says There Is Disarray Among the Q15
Replies: 29
Views: 4093

Re: Source Says There Is Disarray Among the Q15

I always take these things with a grain of salt. The source may very well work for the church, but even then you don't know exactly what it means. The bits I saw were that the "disarray" is over social issues and the secondary source mentioned that temple attendance is so low that the temple dept d...