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by RubinHighlander
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:15 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Soul-Crushing Sins of Omission
Replies: 41
Views: 29742

Re: Soul-Crushing Sins of Omission

Damn! I can't add much to the posts already here. Haven't we just hit one of the major nerves and the crux of so much that is Fd up with fundamentalist religions, driving their members faith with fear and guilt!? I think back to all the guilt and fear I experienced over 40+ years in that pile of $hi...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:53 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Just an Update
Replies: 10
Views: 6486

Re: Just an Update

Of course, that friend is me, and reading it I just cried. It brought back a flood of emotions. I told her I was sorry for breaking her heart, and we ended up having a good discussion. This is excellent that you can share your true feelings with each other! This is what really helped me and my DW d...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:47 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene
Replies: 7
Views: 4593

Re: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene

So if you are a navy seal special forces grunt in the trenches of a third world country and you get orders .... I have a brother IL who was career military. What I saw in his life was a high need for order and to have some of the responsibility of decision making removed from himself. Sort of a "Gi...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:46 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene
Replies: 7
Views: 4593

Re: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene

I think some of these zealous apologists and TBMs fall into this category ... Sometimes I've seen apologists on the great and specious forum such as that unnamed Deseret News writer, Smac, and Pahoran mix things up in ways that seemed very uncivil. Sometimes many posters will become involved and pi...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:42 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene
Replies: 7
Views: 4593

Re: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene

Wow, a really thought provoking post. "We did not pick this fight with the Church's critics, but we will not withdraw from it".(Sunstone 2004, May, Defending the Kingdom, Rethinking the Faith: How Apologetics is Reshaping Mormon Orthodoxy, J-C Duffy) Thanks for that quote, seems to support some of ...
by RubinHighlander
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:35 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Depression Destroyed My Academic Career
Replies: 14
Views: 6289

Re: Depression Destroyed My Academic Career

Reuben, your posts were interesting. I tend to have transcendent experiences while I'm alone, although some happen when I'm with my family. Even before my shelf broke, my most transcendent experiences were usually triggered by music and/or nature. Hikes in the canyons of Southern Utah or in the Tet...
by RubinHighlander
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:09 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Going to miss KBYU
Replies: 8
Views: 4282

Re: Going to miss KBYU

I'm going to miss KBYU being a PBS station. Some of the British shows were quite enjoyable. Now they can cater to a mormocentric audience, with Church made programs and primetime fare like Muppets in Space. I can understand BYU's need. They create a lot of wholesome family fare. Without PBS, they w...
by RubinHighlander
Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:00 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene
Replies: 7
Views: 4593

Appologetic quandry of the warrior gene

Just some thoughts from the commute this morning. The recent threads on apologetics and another topic on the warrior gene seem to have crossed paths in my mind this morning. If you have not heard of the warrior gene, here's a primer: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psychology-writers/201104/...
by RubinHighlander
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:34 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Not Bothering to Correct Misinformation About the Church
Replies: 12
Views: 6600

Re: Not Bothering to Correct Misinformation About the Church

I say I was raised Mormon and most folks can nuance out I'm not anymore. Yes, I have also had very good results from saying I was raised LDS. Additionally, I make it a point to carry around a cup of coffee once in a while at whatever office I am at. Avoiding coffee is one of the most visible LDS sh...
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:40 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Another casualty of war
Replies: 10
Views: 6965

Re: Another casualty of war

We had several of these families in our stake, but one in particular where the dad was steak prez and two of the sons bishops. As far as I know they are all still in. There was the youngest daughter who had a failed marriage and was like the black sheep, but still active. They owned a several acre s...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:18 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Shinehah=Sun
Replies: 12
Views: 6222

Re: Shinehah=Sun

Its funny to read the Fair Mormon response to the BOA astrophysics interpretations, because they dis on those who would make any interpretations, but offer none of their own. Then you have LDS mag rag putting out articles that say how wonderful the BOA is where you can learn so much about how the un...
by RubinHighlander
Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:55 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Posting tips
Replies: 2
Views: 2426

Re: Posting tips

Anyone have good tips/ticks for posting on this forum? Specifically, I am wondering how to quote a portion of someones response without bringing in the whole response then deleting manually (if that makes sense). Other than copying a small section then having to remember the quote ID info in the br...
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:16 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Prayer for those struggling with faith
Replies: 10
Views: 7555

Re: Prayer for those struggling with faith

moksha wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:22 pm
Grant me the serenity to
discern what can't be true;
hope for finding what is true;
and DH/DW to read the CES Letter,
Ramen.
Be eggcellent to each other, ramen!
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:14 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: We Left
Replies: 9
Views: 4376

Re: We Left

Excellent letter! I think you and your family are in good hands. I empathize with the mental and emotional stress you've been through on this journey, but it makes the freedom you now have all the more sweeter. Keep digging, keep questioning, the truth is out there. I'm glad your DW made the leap wi...
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Diagram Explaining Mormonism
Replies: 5
Views: 3319

Re: Diagram Explaining Mormonism

Red Ryder wrote:
Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:13 pm
Reminds me of moving between rooms in the temple.
It would be a fun photoshop project to modify the painting with some temple murals, prayer circles and veils.
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:56 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Elder Christofferson Has Read Sam Young's Stories of Abuse
Replies: 29
Views: 18266

Re: Elder Christofferson Has Read Sam Young's Stories of Abuse

When he's (eventually) ex'd for pointing out that the little changes the church has made aren't enough, TBM's won't listen anymore. He understands that, I think. I completely agree. That's another reason I'm glad he'll still fight to stay in - at least for now. +1 Even though I'm out I'm glad to se...
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:45 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Trite and often pious TBM phrases
Replies: 39
Views: 27200

Re: Trite and often pious TBM phrases

It's interesting if you read the Rameumptom prayer, how many parallels there are to current TBM prayers from the pulpit. 16 Holy God, we believe that thou hast separated us from our brethren; and we do not believe in the tradition of our brethren, which was handed down to them by the childishness of...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:58 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Misogyny, certainly not. Right?
Replies: 23
Views: 14007

Re: Misogyny, certainly not. Right?

Life skills...LDS life skills.
:roll:
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:53 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Trite and often pious TBM phrases
Replies: 39
Views: 27200

Re: Trite and often pious TBM phrases

Dupe - I've got to stop using MS Edge - I've been trying to give it a fair shake, but...back to Chrome!
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:51 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Trite and often pious TBM phrases
Replies: 39
Views: 27200

Re: Trite and often pious TBM phrases

Dupe