NOM

Wow. Seems things are changing fast around your family. Hope the pandemic break from church will push everyone to find new things to do on sundays. Wow...when things move fast... they move fast. Hopefully everyone is doing OK through the transition - I know from reading and listening to others that...

UPDATE:

DS 1,2 and DIL (all RMs) are mentally out now, after reading the CES Letter. DS 3 is mentally out and currently not planning on a mission. DD 1&2 don't know what to think but want to stay involved because all their friends are Mormon. DW is most likely mentally out as well.

Letter to my wife was written by a guy on Reddit who came up with a list of reasons to explain to his wife why his faith was challenged and eventually lost. May have felt the CES letter tone was too harsh and this letter is a softer tone directed to his wife. If I recall his user name was JeffreyRr...

To take a break from conspiracy, I'd recommend https://ourworldindata.org/ website. Just look at numbers of things and decide if the doomsayers are right. Then look at those numbers of TSCC members, compared to the number in the world right now. Consider how many of those spirit kids, according to ...

Slavereeno, I am happy for you but I can tell also from your recent posts it’s not all easy. My husband is still putting his hands over his ears and shouting “la la la.” So we basically almost never discuss issues. How was it that your wife read that letter? I have never heard of it, but I’m curiou...

My BYU professor neighbor has told me about the temple endowment carved in the temple at Karnak. I haven't seen it but I assumed it shows a lot of arm positions that look like stuff in the endowment ceremony because Joseph was lifting stuff from Egyptian imagery to make make his version of masonry ...

Obviously, Ronan the Accuser was a servant and priest of the most high God. His culture faithfully (as faithfully as possible given that they are also fallible mortals) preserved the ordinances of exaltation. This is a testament to the truth of the gospel as it has been given to us on this planet. ...

Red Ryder wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:48 am

Are you sure those aren't nunchucks?

Or Scissors.

This was my response: The similarities between the veil ceremony and the five points of the fellowship from the Masonic rites bear a much, much closer resemblance to each other than the veil ceremony does to Egyptian traditions. Why doesn't this nullify the connection that Porter is attempting to es...

Do you have a link to Bruce Porter's stuff? I mean the search for parallels is exhausting, and one that no objective scholar would agree to. There is research out there but I'm honestly not sure what would handle that since it's typically baseless. I am having a hard time finding a transcript but h...

This is so exhausting... Bruce Porter claims that the temple veil ceremony or something remarkably close to it can be found inscribed onto pillars of ancient Egyptian temples etc. How could JS have known about this... ergo the church is true. Get back to church you heathen. Does anybody know of a re...

Congratulations man! Just yesterday my wife told me she wouldn't do any study of church history because "what would the kids do is both of us decided the church wasn't true?" It turns out she was worried that they wouldn't get properly raised in the church if we both determined it wasn't true. I po...

I need to introduce you to another couple that has been through this. He was out first and on NOM while she was figuring it out. What helped them/her was talking through it with another couple when they were in your exact situation. This would be good, we recently had the opportunity to meet with a...

I need to introduce you to another couple that has been through this. He was out first and on NOM while she was figuring it out. What helped them/her was talking through it with another couple when they were in your exact situation. This would be good, we recently had the opportunity to meet with a...

That's actually a great point by DW, and I think one of the problems with LFMY or the CES Letter is that it's so many topics packed into one piece of info that it kind of feels like it's just too much. Yes, I warned her they are really just a basic introduction, not a deep look at any of the topics...

Journey wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:57 am

Would she read the essays? They are included with all the other material that she probably/possibly regularly uses on the official website. Would she doubt those were true?

She has read some, and realizes that the issues are substantial and real, but the whole thing feels wrong to her.

I’m trying to navigate the middle way. I don’t know anyone stuck in the middle that I can help out. I really like the cafeteria analogy. I think about it often. I think of a huge cafeteria of Mormonism. I’m walking down the line with my tray sliding in the tray shelf. I’m looking for food (mormonis...

I think Alas' answer is the winner as always here. From listening to podcasts and reading here and elsewhere, middle way just doesn't last forever. The problem with middle way is that you know it's not true, but you're just hoping it is. If you've ever watched the show Scrubs, there's a great episo...

Have you ever heard of reflective listening. Basically, it is listening and reflecting back to them what they are saying, maybe identifying emotions you hear, and asking questions to clarify what they mean. If you try this with Mormon apologists, they think you are mocking them. This phenomenon def...

Have you ever heard of reflective listening. Basically, it is listening and reflecting back to them what they are saying, maybe identifying emotions you hear, and asking questions to clarify what they mean. If you try this with Mormon apologists, they think you are mocking them. This phenomenon def...