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- Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:26 am
- Forum: Introductions
- Topic: Pleased to Meet You!
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5722
Re: Pleased to Meet You!
I also graduated from BYU. We should start a New Order Alumni group.........or not. Welcome
- Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:26 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Conference Talk Review: Saturday Afternoon - Gary Stevenson, "Look to the Book, Look to the Lord"
- Replies: 2
- Views: 2666
Re: Conference Talk Review: Saturday Afternoon - Gary Stevenson, "Look tot he Book, Look to the Lord"
Classic circular reasoning. The book tells us how to know it is true. Sounds suspiciously like affinity fraud.
- Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:09 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Divine Command Theory
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4178
Re: Divine Command Theory
The church started as a cult with Joseph Smith and later Brigham calling virtually all the shots. Since then, it is slooowly evolving into an authoritarian 1 (when he's mentally able) +2+12 men organization who try to make the best rules they can and handpick all their successors.
- Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:07 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Divine Command Theory
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4178
Re: Divine Command Theory
The church started as a cult with Joseph Smith and later Brigham calling virtually all the shots. Since then, it is slooowly evolving into an authoritarian 1 (when he's mentally able) +2+12 try to make the best rules they can and handpick all their successors.
- Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:56 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Apostate Quotes for Faithful Talks
- Replies: 12
- Views: 7641
Re: Apostate Quotes for Faithful Talks
The Pre-existence.... resistance was futile-- Robert Kirby
- Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:53 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Divine Command Theory
- Replies: 7
- Views: 4178
Re: Divine Command Theory
In Joseph Smith's mind, he was always right; Hence there could be no error in the revelations he received.
- Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:50 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: The New Israelites....as if we needed another reason not to believe
- Replies: 22
- Views: 10703
Re: The New Israelites....as if we needed another reason not to believe
I believe everything, or almost everything that Joseph Smith came up with can be found in his environment. He just had the "genius" to apply it in a religious setting to motivate his followers to do what he said. Those who say Joseph was a "religious genius" and those who say he was a "conman genius...
- Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:24 am
- Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
- Topic: Another Testament of Marriage
- Replies: 11
- Views: 6590
Re: Another Testament of Marriage
Yeah, what?Just This Guy wrote:What is "Another Testament of Marriage"?
- Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:08 pm
- Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
- Topic: "Hey Batman, some Bruce Wayne is showing!"
- Replies: 9
- Views: 5640
Re: "Hey Batman, some Bruce Wayne is showing!"
I'm reminded of when I was ordained a deacon. The person who ordained me, a close relative, took me out for lunch about a week before my ordination and ordered coffee. Well, as an 11 year old raised in Rexburg, Idaho, I wondered if my ordination would really "take full effect". It didn't take long t...
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:25 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Was JS the only person who claimed to use seer stones?
- Replies: 26
- Views: 13425
Re: Was JS the only person who claimed to use seer stones?
From Quinn's Early Mormonism and the Magic World View : A popular tradition in English folk magic was that Adam, Abraham and other Old Testament patriarchs also possessed "Angellical Stones." Writers insisted that modern people could also obtain such a stone that provides " Apparition of Angells, a...
- Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:13 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: What was God commanding Martin Harris NOT to reveal in this revelation?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 10219
Re: What was God commanding Martin Harris NOT to reveal in this revelation?
.......and perhaps Joseph Smith learned a lesson. Giving people the idea of having a special super secret knowledge, is a flattering way of winning their their confidence.
- Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:56 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: 3rd Nephi takeaway
- Replies: 12
- Views: 6652
Re: 3rd Nephi takeaway
I think Joseph Smith wanted God to do the same thing to the Missourians that he did to the people in 3rd Nephi.
- Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:43 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: A Broken Heart = Church Broke
- Replies: 10
- Views: 6009
Re: A Broken Heart = Church Broke
Church broke is a phrase that points to my main problem with the LDS church, which is loyalty to an authoritarian organization. The emphasis on deemphasizing the gospel of Jesus Christ to promote piercings, Word of Wisdom, tithing, odd temple ordinances, odd temple interviews etc. etc. is so ticky t...
- Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:47 am
- Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
- Topic: The story so far.
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5121
Re: The story so far.
Great post empower. Honesty is certainly the key; and the key to honest conversation is listening without judging. It's still my biggest challenge.
- Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:44 am
- Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
- Topic: Do temple oaths really help?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3819
Do temple oaths really help?
I have become aware, in my friend's live's, and from reading posts on this and other forums, that it is not uncommon for those who have been to the temple, to break their vows of chastity. Do you think making such vows really helps where the rubber meets the.....road? (Sorry if that seems tasteless,...
- Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:37 am
- Forum: Introductions
- Topic: Alas, I should reintroduce myself
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3448
Re: Alas, I should reintroduce myself
I laughed when you said your Mom read "no Man Knows My History" while you were in her womb. I also have a hard time with the Joseph Smith idolization. When I read the "History of the Church" the guy comes of as arrogant in so many places. It unconsciously bugged me. BTW, great to have NOM back.
- Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:48 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: What was God commanding Martin Harris NOT to reveal in this revelation?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 10219
Re: What was God commanding Martin Harris NOT to reveal in this revelation?
This is good. I'm so glad to be back on NOM. I missed you all............too many to mention.
- Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:43 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: What is Faith?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 8614
Re: What is Faith?
Wonderful topic. My current working model of faith in this crazy world is to decide what seems the most reasonable, add in a little bias towards Jesus, and go with it. I fell in love with the Sermon on the Mount 50 years ago, and I still love about 90% of it.