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by 2bizE
Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:28 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: 22 Months Down. 38 To Go.
Replies: 21
Views: 2215

Re: 22 Months Down. 38 To Go.

Love to hear from you Bishop. Why do you suppose so many people are needy? (Not always financially) It seems like the church wants people to be self efficient, yet at the same time wants them to be completely dependent on the church.
by 2bizE
Thu Mar 02, 2023 8:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: O.T. Prophets who messed up.
Replies: 26
Views: 9172

Re: O.T. Prophets who messed up.

There are several examples in the Old Testament of prophets made mistakes. There is the story of Gandalf going to get advice from Saruman and does not recognize he has turned to evil and Gandalf gets trapped on top of the tower. There is also the many sins of King Joffrey Baratheon. And also, let’s ...
by 2bizE
Thu Mar 02, 2023 12:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Reconciling the new temple teachings and literalism
Replies: 11
Views: 5287

Reconciling the new temple teachings and literalism

I have not been to the temple in a while, but it appears the new temple changes included a message that the temple endowment is symbolic. I read that to be metaphorical as well. The endowment explains about the creation and life of Adam and Eve. Are we supposed to believe this creation is symbolic o...
by 2bizE
Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Ancient religion vs. modern religion
Replies: 19
Views: 2003

Re: Ancient religion vs. modern religion

What is your ultimate desire for religion? Should all religions fall and people recognize that all religion is man made? Without religion, what would humankind replace religion with?
by 2bizE
Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Magical Parchments
Replies: 4
Views: 566

Re: Magical Parchments

by 2bizE
Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:48 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Anyone want to discuss the changes to the temple?
Replies: 37
Views: 3792

Re: Anyone want to discuss the changes to the temple?

Does the slideshow make a beep sound when it is time to move to the next slide? Does the church try to make it sound like a covenant to wear garments 24/7? Remember wearing garments was only an instruction. Are you stuck back in the days of the flannelboard? :) Ahh yes, the flannel board. As a kid,...
by 2bizE
Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:24 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Anyone want to discuss the changes to the temple?
Replies: 37
Views: 3792

Re: Anyone want to discuss the changes to the temple?

Does the slideshow make a beep sound when it is time to move to the next slide?

Does the church try to make it sound like a covenant to wear garments 24/7? Remember wearing garments was only an instruction.
by 2bizE
Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:51 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.
Replies: 25
Views: 2958

Re: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.

It's crazy that this is coming from the Maxwell Institute because as has already been said in the thread, if you take this one step further the entire need for Mormonism crumbles and undercuts Joseph Smith's First Vision claims as well. Not that most members will ever read the book, but it's amazin...
by 2bizE
Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:22 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Noah and the Flood
Replies: 19
Views: 2126

Re: Noah and the Flood

Noah and the ark was my first real broken shelf. Mid 40’s and I finally allowed myself to analyze this story and agree that there was no way all of the animals on earth could fit in that boat. I allowed myself to believe this must be a symbolic story…then I moved on to Adam and Eve…. I think for ma...
by 2bizE
Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:34 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Noah and the Flood
Replies: 19
Views: 2126

Re: Noah and the Flood

Noah and the ark was my first real broken shelf. Mid 40’s and I finally allowed myself to analyze this story and agree that there was no way all of the animals on earth could fit in that boat. I allowed myself to believe this must be a symbolic story…then I moved on to Adam and Eve….
by 2bizE
Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:35 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.
Replies: 25
Views: 2958

Re: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.

I think this is just another story of the church doctrine collapsing from within. There are plenty of examples, but a few include: 1) Book of Abraham- the church held onto the theory that the BoA was translated directly from the papyrus….until it finally agreed with Egyptologists that the papyrus wa...
by 2bizE
Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.
Replies: 25
Views: 2958

The Great Apostasy didn’t really happen according to new Maxwell Institute book.

The SLTrib ran an article today from Peggy Fletcher-Stack about a new book out of the Maxwell Institute explaining that Mormons get the Great Apostasy wrong. Here are some excerpts. Let the gaslighting from TBMs begin. “Latter-day Saints generally believe that Jesus established a church during his m...
by 2bizE
Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:27 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Changes I have seen. Does anyone agree?
Replies: 17
Views: 2230

Re: Changes I have seen. Does anyone agree?

Don’t forget that young women can now hand out towels at the temple baptistery. Big steps.
by 2bizE
Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:09 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Thoughts on priesthood blessings and feeling the spirit meaning the church is true
Replies: 23
Views: 2007

Re: Thoughts on priesthood blessings and feeling the spirit meaning the church is true

I’ve evolved on priesthood blessings. I see them like more of a pep talk. Think of how invigorating a great half time speech by Knute Rockne (think the locker room speech in the movie Rudy). These can be inspirational, give you chills, and make you believe in the cause. If healing blessings really w...
by 2bizE
Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:00 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Consciousness
Replies: 29
Views: 3116

Re: Consciousness

This is probably not the same topic, but when I think of the brain and consciousness I often think of Battlestar Galactica. There is a scene where they have to reach into the brain of a Cylon. It has been too long to remember what they were doing, but touching certain areas helped them connect. Well...
by 2bizE
Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:55 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormonism unchecked
Replies: 15
Views: 1840

Mormonism unchecked

I was ponderizing a few weeks ago about what the church would be like today if after moving out west with BY, the church was able to create its own country rather than the Utah area, previously Mexico becoming part of the USA. What would the church look like it it was unchecked from the norms of a n...
by 2bizE
Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:50 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: How do you label yourself regarding your belief?
Replies: 43
Views: 4570

How do you label yourself regarding your belief?

When I first joined NOM a few years ago, I was much more fluid in my spiritual beliefs. I was still part TBM and trying to find my way forward… Today, I am still trying to find my way forward. I have a difficult time calling myself an atheist for some reason. I really don’t believe anything in the c...
by 2bizE
Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:16 am
Forum: Support
Topic: WTF
Replies: 3
Views: 669

Re: WTF

What was the end result? Did it turn white and delightsome and stay that way?
by 2bizE
Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:52 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Sam Young’s Crusade continues
Replies: 8
Views: 901

Re: Sam Young’s Crusade continues

I agree with his reasoning here: I started speaking out when I realized that Davis was a registered sex offender from Utah and, despite this, he was put in a position of authority in our local congregation. This fact raised two concerns: The LDS Church teaches that church leaders have the "gift of ...