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- Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:36 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Bible banned from schools in Davis County, Utah
- Replies: 6
- Views: 935
Re: Bible banned from schools in Davis County, Utah
Personally, I think that banning books is a childish, selfish ego driven act. Hell, if you don't want to read the Bible, don't read it. Who gives a s**t? No one. If you do, it's not going to make you an ax murderer. I'd bet that of the people wanting to ban the Bible, that there's not more than 5% w...
- Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:29 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: So many Holes in the gospel, so few explanations.
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1029
Re: So many Holes in the gospel, so few explanations.
Went to church today. Pretty good meeting I thought, for fast meeting. No obnoxious kiddies sing-songing how they "know the church is true". Not one. Lady got up and said that she had been doubting the church's truthfulness. I knew this lady well and was surprised to hear her say that....but it was ...
- Mon May 29, 2023 10:21 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Surrendering your moral compass to authority figures
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1171
Re: Surrendering your moral compass to authority figures
Groupthink, tribalism requires not just surrendering your moral compass, but surrendering your entire compass in all things. United we stand, divided we fall - from soldiers to football players to orchestras - united unquestioned blind obedience to authority - conformity. Wear the team uniform, mar...
- Mon May 29, 2023 10:17 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Temple Prayer Roll
- Replies: 13
- Views: 2464
Re: Temple Prayer Roll
Have not been to a temple in quite some time, unless you count a Buddhist temple that I visited in Korea a few years back , so I don't know how they do it now, but I always thought writing names on pieces of paper and dropping them in a box so that people who you don't know, who don't know your name...
- Fri May 26, 2023 8:18 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: 60 Minutes this week: LDS & SEC
- Replies: 27
- Views: 3144
Re: 60 Minutes this week: LDS & SEC
I would like to bear my testimony that the church is true. The leaders of the church know the covenant path. I wish to follow my loving leaders. To do so, I set up 13 shell companies to pay my tithing through. This is the way. I also have learned from my leaders how to evade paying taxes, which all...
- Fri May 26, 2023 7:47 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Shrinkage = Growth
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1078
Re: Shrinkage = Growth
It is interesting to me how the growth in the church seems to have stalled to a crawl in most of Holland, Belgium and the areas adjacent to them. Last time I was in Belgium, I did not see any mission mormonaries at all. No churches, and no sign of a Mormon presence. And I really looked for it. At on...
- Sun May 21, 2023 11:15 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Reasons not to resign from church
- Replies: 12
- Views: 1580
Re: Reasons not to resign from church
It seems pointless to resign, at least to me. Those of us who have been close to someone who resigned have more likely than not found that resigning did not bring their Mormon thoughts or feelings to an end. Sorry. This, I've found, is especially true if the person who resigns was once a member who ...
- Sun May 21, 2023 10:59 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: My best friend is out, but works with a bishop from HELL
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1339
Re: My best friend is out, but works with a bishop from HELL
Wow, a lot going on over there across the pond. Sounds like the opposite of the gospel of Christ there in your corner of the world. Bishop from hell sounds like a real corker. Wonder which crazy and stupid mold these bozos come from. As was said, we have plenty just like him here in the states. Anyw...
Re: Reframing
Thought provoking post this. Trust a lot of us have gone through the same experience upon attending church, uninteresting or talks about nonsense. Notable difference between attending in places where church membership is more dense. My experience has been that people further out of Utah and Eastern ...
- Mon May 08, 2023 3:59 pm
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: God as a human father vs. God is Love
- Replies: 7
- Views: 896
Re: God as a human father vs. God is Love
It's probably different for everyone, but for me it was the Bible (and with it my concept of theism) that fell apart first. Though it was the problems of Mormon history and doctrine that allowed me to realize that it was possible to question the foundational stories and doctrines of the Bible. I fo...
- Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:09 am
- Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
- Topic: It's not all my fault?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 14302
Re: It's not all my fault?
Sounds familiar. Losing the garments is a toughy. They really think you are on a path straight to hell with that one. My wife still wears them but I'm still holding out hope there. She says she's okay with me giving garments the old heave ho many years ago but I think she still holds out that I will...
- Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:59 am
- Forum: Mixed Faith Relationships
- Topic: Marital strife
- Replies: 11
- Views: 14550
Re: Marital strife
Feeling your pain here. Hard for many of us to believe that any logical person really believes in the church unless they know little about it. Sure, I understand how people want to feel a part of something, we all do that, mingle with those like us, hell, isn't that what NOM is all about? But really...
- Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:41 am
- Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
- Topic: Ever wished you would just cease to be?
- Replies: 23
- Views: 5548
Re: Ever wished you would just cease to be?
The dull ache of that hurt, after 3 1/2 years is very much there. I'm so sorry for your sorrow, Gaitorbate. I sort of get it why people hang onto their religious belief, trying just to get through a few years, faithful enough to have a hope of seeing their loved one again. I for one would never try...
- Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:32 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Filling the whole Earth
- Replies: 11
- Views: 1149
Re: Filling the whole Earth
Points well taken. Not sure where the $236 B number came from for the church assets, but I'm pretty sure it could be higher than that, but I'm not expert. Lots of land holdings hither and thither, tax free. Those have to be worth quite a lot of moola. The widow's mite has forever struck me as wrong-...
- Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:01 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Joseph Smith “sexual predator” label?
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2710
Re: Joseph Smith “sexual predator” label?
Joseph was an opportunistic serial predator. On the ranch my Grandpa used to say once a bear or wolf got a taste of a cow, or more usually a calf, it would focus on the calves, to the exclusion of its usual food/prey. A side note: C.S. Lewis once said something like God doesn’t reveal himself to us...
- Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:59 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality
- Replies: 20
- Views: 2244
Re: Mormons are disinterested in spirituality
Wow, great post. Loved everyone's thoughts on this one. For me, spirituality is something that either you have, or you don't. Can't fake it, yet I cannot say that I understand it. It is more of a presence or a feeling that you get that sometimes brings you to tears when you feel someone's love for y...
- Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:29 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Recognized National Leader?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1312
Re: Recognized National Leader?
Glass shelf wrote: If there's one thing I know about Mormonism from living in "the mission field" for all my non-BYU years, it's that no one else thinks Mormons are nearly as important as Mormons think other people think Mormons are.
Spot on noble one. Could not agree more.
Spot on noble one. Could not agree more.
- Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:26 pm
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Prophets or place holders? Your opinion please.
- Replies: 3
- Views: 617
Prophets or place holders? Your opinion please.
Not long ago I was dining with some friends that I've had for more than 50 years, yep, I'm a geezer...The topic of church presidents came up and we each decided on the ones we liked and listed ones that we thought really made a difference for good and were not just "place holders". We limited oursel...
- Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:11 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Let’s talk about new temples for a minute
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1964
Re: Let’s talk about new temples for a minute
Bob the builder garments, now there's an idea, but one piece garmies- I don't think so.
- Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:05 am
- Forum: Support
- Topic: Review of General Conference
- Replies: 2
- Views: 594
Re: Review of General Conference
Great stuff Moksha, thanks for sharing.