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by Not Buying It
Thu May 10, 2018 11:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Holland vs. the 1949 First Presidency
Replies: 45
Views: 38023

Re: Elder Holland vs. the 1949 First Presidency

The LDS leadership has this really stupid practice of ALWAYS protecting their predecessors, unless and until they have no other choice. Holland is lying. I'm sure he has his mental-gymnastic reasons for doing such, but its a lie. The 1949 message you quote is definitive, and even used by the FP as ...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 10, 2018 10:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Elder Holland vs. the 1949 First Presidency
Replies: 45
Views: 38023

Elder Holland vs. the 1949 First Presidency

The current issue of the Ensign contains this statement from Elder Holland: From the mid-1800s, the Church did not ordain men of black African descent to the priesthood or allow black men or women to participate in temple endowment or sealing ordinances.1 No known records exist that explain the orig...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 10, 2018 5:32 am
Forum: Support
Topic: In which I lose my best friend
Replies: 21
Views: 12769

Re: In which I lose my best friend

I don’t want friends who are only friends if I share their religious views. If that’s the case, it was never a relationship between them and me anyway, it was a relationship between them and the Church and me. If you take the Church out and the friendship collapses, you were in some kind of bizarre ...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 10, 2018 5:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The War Against True Church History
Replies: 29
Views: 23253

Re: The War Against True Church History

It ought to be a giant red flag when an organization that purports to be the “true” Church fights so hard to keep things that are true from being known by its members. Leonard Arrington fought the good fight for truth, but the Church won - until the internet came along and pulled the rug out from un...
by Not Buying It
Wed May 09, 2018 8:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does anyone have examples of a GA being a bully?
Replies: 30
Views: 18868

Re: Does anyone have examples of a GA being a bully?

There are plenty enough verifiable stories about Elder Bednar being a jerk, we don’t really need to speculate about him being abusive to his wife. It may be she is just shy. But we do know for a fact he’d have all of the students at devotionals at BYU-I raise their scriptures in some kind of Nazi-Es...
by Not Buying It
Wed May 09, 2018 4:51 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Authenticity
Replies: 11
Views: 6925

Re: Authenticity

Authenticity may be over-rated. We all hide aspects about ourselves that others might find unpleasant. Untidy bedrooms and pooping come to mind as examples of hiding our authentic selves. I think what you may really want is to go live a new life. My recommendation is just go do it! without making p...
by Not Buying It
Tue May 08, 2018 10:08 am
Forum: Support
Topic: There's no good time to make a break
Replies: 33
Views: 41678

Re: There's no good time to make a break

You are right, there is no "correct" answer. Much depends on your spouse, and how accepting he or she is, and how willing to tolerate disengagement from the Church. Myself, I've been in a similar place, I've been playing along for a long time now, attending meetings, holding callings, but doing the ...
by Not Buying It
Tue May 08, 2018 9:51 am
Forum: Support
Topic: To the rescue!
Replies: 7
Views: 4566

Re: To the rescue!

Will the Church maybe reach a point where enough members leave that it has to soften the rhetoric against those who leave the Church? Nope, that would be the humane thing to do. Instead, they will try and frighten those who remain into staying, causing more grief. But how much needless pain and hear...
by Not Buying It
Tue May 08, 2018 9:46 am
Forum: Support
Topic: "It gives me hope..."
Replies: 7
Views: 8260

Re: "It gives me hope..."

Hope can be cruel. The believing family member who holds out hope for the return of the unbeliever sometimes torments themselves needlessly for years. Unfortunately, the Church perpetuates that with its "no empty chairs at the table" rhetoric, so the believer often goes on hoping...
by Not Buying It
Tue May 08, 2018 5:41 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What major points of LDS (priesthood/temples/spirit world/polygamy/etc) are derived from the Book of Mormon?
Replies: 14
Views: 8362

Re: What major points of LDS (priesthood/temples/spirit world/polygamy/etc) are derived from the Book of Mormon?

Recently I met with the bishop to discuss some changes in the way I interact with the Church, not participating in “ministering” being one of them. I was annoyed when he asked if I read the Book of Mormon every day, and later in an email to my wife he said he doesn’t worry about her testimony if she...
by Not Buying It
Mon May 07, 2018 6:16 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: What major points of LDS (priesthood/temples/spirit world/polygamy/etc) are derived from the Book of Mormon?
Replies: 14
Views: 8362

Re: What major points of LDS (priesthood/temples/spirit world/polygamy/etc) are derived from the Book of Mormon?

“Families are Forever” - nowhere is it mentioned in the Book of Mormon. Think about it - this is the one concept that binds members to the Church more than any other, and there isn’t even a hint of it in the Book of Mormon. It never registers with members for some reason, but wouldn’t something so i...
by Not Buying It
Mon May 07, 2018 6:06 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Quentin Cook & the Marin Hospital
Replies: 3
Views: 1866

Re: Quentin Cook & the Marin Hospital

When a person in a position of trust uses that position to enrich himself at the expense of the public, yeah, I’d say that’s a problem.
by Not Buying It
Mon May 07, 2018 6:00 am
Forum: Support
Topic: My "no one-on-one interviews with my daughter" experience
Replies: 12
Views: 6798

Re: My "no one-on-one interviews with my daughter" experience

The remarkable thing isn’t that you are angry. The remarkable thing is so many members whose children are asked similar questions aren’t angry.

You bet it’s “creepy” - your daughter nailed it.
by Not Buying It
Sat May 05, 2018 6:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Polygamy In Heaven
Replies: 26
Views: 17457

Re: Polygamy In Heaven

Quit being so judgmental. My point was that if the laws of the U.S. allow men to marry men and women to marry women, the laws should also equally allow other forms of marriage. I don't see women as sex objects at all but I do see some as too annoying, which would make plural marriage intolerable fo...
by Not Buying It
Fri May 04, 2018 5:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: For those who stopped believing, how *sure* are you that the church is a lie and what makes you so sure?
Replies: 70
Views: 54667

Re: For those who stopped believing, how *sure* are you that the church is a lie and what makes you so sure?

Sorry about the double post, I got a little wound up and wasn’t paying attention to what I was doing.
by Not Buying It
Fri May 04, 2018 5:18 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: For those who stopped believing, how *sure* are you that the church is a lie and what makes you so sure?
Replies: 70
Views: 54667

Re: For those who stopped believing, how *sure* are you that the church is a lie and what makes you so sure?

For me, it's not a question of true vs. false anymore. It's a question of authorship and creation. Did Joseph Smith make it all up and essentially "create" Mormonism? I believe 100% he did. Is it true? Not relevant. Is it false? Not relevant! Does it entertain and make people happy? Sure, but not e...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 03, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Polygamy In Heaven
Replies: 26
Views: 17457

Re: Polygamy In Heaven

But as I said in my post in the other thread, where has there ever been a group that practiced polygamy where it wasn’t coercive, abusive, and generally just bad for a substantial number of the women in the group? There has never been a group that practiced polygamy where it resulted in most of the ...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 03, 2018 9:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A majority (52%) of young Mormons believe same-sex marriage should be legal
Replies: 12
Views: 7095

Re: A majority (52%) of young Mormons believe same-sex marriage should be legal

Regarding polygamy, it should never be legal. Why? Because it has never been practiced by any group without a significant number of young women and female children being coerced into it. I hate it when people talk about polygamy as though it were entirely consensual, because it hardly ever works tha...
by Not Buying It
Thu May 03, 2018 5:10 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Polygamy In Heaven
Replies: 26
Views: 17457

Re: Polygamy In Heaven

AGEISM exists and it is mostly male bashing, i.e., males are discouraged from marrying whom they love (or lust after) when the females are much younger. But, like I said, I am glad that Nelson set the example for the members. After all, follow the prophet, right? He married a person 30 years younge...
by Not Buying It
Wed May 02, 2018 8:11 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: For those who stopped believing, how *sure* are you that the church is a lie and what makes you so sure?
Replies: 70
Views: 54667

Re: For those who stopped believing, how *sure* are you that the church is a lie and what makes you so sure?

No matter how much we toss around different wording or semantics, it doesn't change the evidence: The church is not what it claims to be. It never has been. Whether Joseph was deluded, and every "prophet" since Joe, right up to old Russel continue to be deluded, the church is still not what it clai...