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by asa
Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:30 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Snuffer Movement Conference
Replies: 40
Views: 23593

Re: Snuffer Movement Conference

Did he mention this as an allegory of Mankind moving from a creature of instinct to a creature of sentience once the fruit of knowledge was acquired? If that was Denver's interpretation, then perhaps in a further sermon he will offer the explanation of God preferring the meat sacrifice of Abel to t...
by asa
Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:19 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Snuffer Movement Conference
Replies: 40
Views: 23593

Re: Snuffer Movement Conference

I thought I should return and report. The conference was held yesterday and today..There were approximately 500 people in attendance each day. But hundreds more just watch the live broadcast from home.Sat mornibg consisted of talks and a xpvote on some matters dealing with the guide to be adopted by...
by asa
Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:54 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I don't like it either.
Replies: 21
Views: 18119

Re: I don't like it either.

I had this job once. I will always remember asking an elderly sister ( an RM who served in the 50s ) to speak. She said “Bishop I have always loved speaking in church. As I have aged I have discovered there are lots of things I use to love to do but have had to give up. Speaking in church is one of ...
by asa
Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:19 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Snuffer Movement Conference
Replies: 40
Views: 23593

Re: Snuffer Movement Conference

I'm hoping for reports of some heavenly manifestations or spiritual outpouring that will make LDS conference look like an accountants convention by comparison. If General Conference is the standard the bar is set quite low. There will be baptisms at the river (the weather is spectacular )and lots o...
by asa
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:50 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Snuffer Movement Conference
Replies: 40
Views: 23593

Re: Snuffer Movement Conference

I'm hoping for reports of some heavenly manifestations or spiritual outpouring that will make LDS conference look like an accountants convention by comparison. If General Conference is the standard the bar is set quite low. There will be baptisms at the river (the weather is spectacular )and lots o...
by asa
Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:58 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Snuffer Movement Conference
Replies: 40
Views: 23593

Snuffer Movement Conference

There is a conference entitled Wisdom Through The Ages scheduled in Mesa this weekend. All are invited free of charge .All are welcome if interested. I will add the

link later but the address for the website is wisdomthroughtheagesconference.com
by asa
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The "coming Mormon revolution"?
Replies: 43
Views: 44483

Re: The "coming Mormon revolution"?

In reality the church would cease to exist if it changes to much. Just one announcement from the pulpit like the BOM is fiction would collapse belief. Imagine if they say Joseph made most of it up. Who in their right mind would continue more than a cursory membership after that. I know someone irl ...
by asa
Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: First and Subsequent Visions of Moses
Replies: 12
Views: 5876

Re: First and Subsequent Visions of Moses

No unclean thing can be in the presence of God. As fallible inhabitants of a telestial world we would be destroyed if we were in his presence with out being transformed and purified by the Spirit. 1 John 3:2 ; Isaiah 6:5 That is why the earth will be cleansed ' as if by fire" when the Savior returns...
by asa
Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:19 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Garment Changes
Replies: 40
Views: 26565

Re: Garment Changes

Garment change?....Oh MY! (I'm loosing my testimony!) Hey...Its not completely germane but I heard some GA actually gave a talk about JS and HS taking off their garments before they went to Carthage,...and had they left them on they would have survived? Don't know if that is true...but the "magic p...
by asa
Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Garment Changes
Replies: 40
Views: 26565

Re: Garment Changes

I hope they have Duluth trading make the new garments. Their buck naked underwear looks comfortable. http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mens-buck-naked-performance-boxer-briefs-76015.aspx?wpc=DCB&tall=N&src=T16WGSHP&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4vzKBRCtARIsAM3l8OCCH6h3CoA2kt6hfGzR57DwfzyEH-4G7BtKQknTe8ZEe...
by asa
Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:03 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Why no children from JS plural marriages?
Replies: 73
Views: 41655

Re: Why no children from JS plural marriages?

It's that much harder to hide polygamy when polygamy is producing children. Other leaders were practicing polygamy before the move out west, right? How many children did they have? I think the children only came after they started practicing polygamy in public. This is a key point. There were appro...
by asa
Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:24 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: No callings for you! Updated
Replies: 36
Views: 17546

Re: No callings for you!

You're right about callings being the way a ward includes people. It's just a part of the fabric of Mormonism. There's no real way to be Mormon without some sort of calling, someone to report to, and someone to preside over you. You have to fit somewhere in the chain of command, otherwise no one kn...
by asa
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:58 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Have any of you participated in other religions or religious communities?
Replies: 21
Views: 8499

Re: Have any of you participated in other religions or religious communities?

I have attended a variety of non LDS services over the years and some more than once. I am particularly familiar with the Baptist ,,Episcopalian , and Pentecostal groups having attended each of them several or more times and spoken with their pastor or minister about theological issues. Although I h...
by asa
Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:06 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Church messes with TBMs too--Updated
Replies: 17
Views: 10891

Re: The Church messes with TBMs too

This is remarkably stupid on the Bishops part . You never need a TR to perform a baptism . You only need the Bishops ok. If you are going to perform it in another ward at most you need a Certificate to Perform an Ordinance which is a little piece of paper that only needs the bishops signature. Truly...
by asa
Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:41 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Nonsense language
Replies: 41
Views: 22424

Re: Nonsense language

I almost forgot how many Mormon phrases probably mean absolutely nothing to outsiders. How about this one: "The measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ" Are there others? Sorry Brian but while the general statement may be true your example is lousy That is a precise quote of Ephesians 4;13...
by asa
Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:17 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: McConkie Papers
Replies: 22
Views: 17182

Re: McConkie Papers

I vote to give poor Bruce a break. What do you expect from an ex Marine who went to law school and whose father in law was President of the Quorum of the 12 and whose father was the best known and most successful lawyer in the Morcor. You might have a swelled ego too .He certainly was dogmatic and s...
by asa
Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:26 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Near Death -- and contradictions in LDS Theology
Replies: 15
Views: 7945

Re: Near Death -- and contradictions in LDS Theology

A quick response. I knew Joseph Fielding Smith and talked with him an multiple occasions . He autographed several of my books . I even ,as a BYU freshman , called him up on his home number ,woke him up , and spent 1/2 hour discussing doctrinal questions with him . Great guy, very approachable . But ...
by asa
Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:02 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it
Replies: 17
Views: 10260

Re: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it

The problem in part is we conflate separate questions. The question isn't "do you believe that somebody you never met and who never publicly claimed to have received revelation or prophesied is a prophet " . The question is do you sustain him as a prophet etc . That phrase " prophet ,seer and revela...
by asa
Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:22 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Near Death -- and contradictions in LDS Theology
Replies: 15
Views: 7945

Re: Near Death -- and contradictions in LDS Theology

Interesting topic. i may be more interested than most because my father had a NDE following a heart attack while he was in the best hospital in LA. The world famous heart surgeons told my mother that it was the most amazing thing they had ever seen . " He was dead and we could not revive him. Then a...
by asa
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:49 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Remnant
Replies: 32
Views: 29852

Re: The Remnant

I suppose most would say I am in with both feet. However I am still involved with the Corporate church and hold teaching positions etc there. In that regard I am not unusual . I intend to continue serve where I can including HT , substituting in the GD class etc as long as I am permitted to do so. ...