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by Hagoth
Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:21 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Sheesh! Who is God mad at now?
Replies: 51
Views: 41994

Re: Sheesh! Who is God mad at now?

I think that is true a lot of the time, but I would hesitate to say "always". Alright, change the always to mostly. Take the latest Mexico earthquake for example. Most of the dead were children buried in a collapsed grade school. That aught to teach those queers a lesson. I really do think that God...
by Hagoth
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:41 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Money, Money, Money
Replies: 13
Views: 7207

Re: Money, Money, Money

Here's the real genius of the church. A significant amount of the billions they get in donations comes from people who don't really believe the party line. It is very possible that they know this and that it validates their time-honored process of social pressure, obfuscation, family hijacking and s...
by Hagoth
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:27 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: How to talk to TBMs?
Replies: 32
Views: 26746

Re: How to talk to TBMs?

When they ask you why you "don't believe" just turn it back around and ask them why they "do believe". Since they've probably really never actually thought about it, try and get them to actually think for a change. Brilliant. Here's my little trick to keep my sanity. I smile and nod when someone is...
by Hagoth
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:55 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Called on a porn-fighting mission?
Replies: 41
Views: 27748

Re: Called on a porn-fighting mission?

I used to work in an entertainment industry. One time I was at a trade show in Las Vegas and unwittingly walked into a hall that I assumed was part of the conference that I was attending, but it turned out to be the trade show for the adult film industry. Once I recovered from the initial shock the ...
by Hagoth
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:28 am
Forum: Support
Topic: (2nd Update) - Have no doubt that if you give the Church enough rope,...
Replies: 33
Views: 22703

Re: Have no doubt that if you give the Church enough rope,....

Hermey wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:23 pm
He said that he feels I'm the same Hermey that I was before. The only thing different is that I am now on another path heading the same place, one that was working for me and that was fine.
You should get that in writing, have it notarized and posted on the ward bulletin board.
by Hagoth
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: how to get out of a calling
Replies: 5
Views: 2975

Re: how to get out of a calling

The amazing thing about these guys is that they expect so much respect, as if they are what they claim to be. There is absolutely nothing that suggests that they really are prophets, seers, revelators and witnesses of Jesus Christ. They're administrators of a corporation that is given billions of ta...
by Hagoth
Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:11 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: American Apocrypha
Replies: 21
Views: 8476

Re: American Apocrypha

Thanks for the reports, Emower. I find this very useful. Maybe we need a book report forum.

Yes, it seems like Mormon was the Velcro at the beginning of the "large plates" that Joseph used to attach the later "small plates" story, and then he became a convenient summarizing tool.
by Hagoth
Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:57 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Faith and the lack of literalism
Replies: 12
Views: 6206

Re: Faith and the lack of literalism

I find that when I close my eyes I tend to bump into things that hurt.
by Hagoth
Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:54 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Bednar's wife?
Replies: 27
Views: 15432

Re: Bednar's wife?

My thoughts haven't skewed toward Bednar, but Monson. I've heard that in private he's not a nice guy. I don't know about you but I was quite disturbed when he joked with the boy participating in a temple cornerstone ceremony about giving the little girl "the back of your hand" is she didn't do it t...
by Hagoth
Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:35 am
Forum: Support
Topic: (2nd Update) - Have no doubt that if you give the Church enough rope,...
Replies: 33
Views: 22703

Re: Have no doubt that if you give the Church enough rope,....

I just wanted to say it's nice to see you on NOM, Hermey. There's always a home for you here on the Island of Misfit Toys.
by Hagoth
Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:56 am
Forum: Support
Topic: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it
Replies: 17
Views: 10268

Re: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it

The temple recommend interview is where the church really shows its colors. Despite everything that is said outside that room, it's all really about obedience and conformity. First of all, my friend isn't allowed to go to the temple because she doesn't believe Thomas Monson is a literal prophet of G...
by Hagoth
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:07 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: (2nd Update) - Have no doubt that if you give the Church enough rope,...
Replies: 33
Views: 22703

Re: Have no doubt that if you give the Church enough rope,....

I think I would point out to the leaders that this kind of behavior is why the church is losing, in Elder Holland's words, "it's best and brightest." We don't really reward people for achievements, we reward them for conformity. The kids who lie and fake their way through it are always held up above...
by Hagoth
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:47 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it
Replies: 17
Views: 10268

Re: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it

It helps validate that you're not crazy, but the church is definitely insane. She sounds like someone I'd love to meet - she follows her own integrity, and is outspoken. Yup! Did she happen to tell you how her shelf crashed? I love that she was one of the ward's stars - so many of the "brightest an...
by Hagoth
Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:41 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it
Replies: 17
Views: 10268

Re: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it

I also think you can be scrupulously honest and successfully navigate the rest of the questions if you think about it and respond only to the question being asked not the one you think they really want to ask. I agree. You can even preface it (as I have done) with a statement like, "just be aware t...
by Hagoth
Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:51 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it
Replies: 17
Views: 10268

I am no longer alone, or why they don't get it

I have talked about how I squeaked by the TR interview by getting peremptory advice from the SP about how to pass the bishop interview. Yesterday Mrs. Hagoth came home from church early with another sister in tow who hadn't been so lucky in the hotseat. It turned out to be the best conversation I ha...
by Hagoth
Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:29 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sitting and Standing
Replies: 29
Views: 16542

Re: Sitting and Standing

To see someone employ this method with a room full of grown adult humans is amazing. I am constantly amazed at how we Mormons surrender our agency so easily to men who claim authority over us. Mrs. Hagoth came home early from church last week and said that one of our bishops counselors at the end o...
by Hagoth
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:00 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sitting and Standing
Replies: 29
Views: 16542

Re: Sitting and Standing

Question to blazerb: did you actually watch the whole thing to get to that point? I don't think I could do that.
by Hagoth
Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Called on a porn-fighting mission?
Replies: 41
Views: 27748

Called on a porn-fighting mission?

Our GD lesson today was about the handcart pioneers and how we can weigh the hardships in our own lives against theirs. Somewhere along the way the teacher mentioned that his sister-in-law and her husband have just been called to Cache Valley on a porn-fighting mission. Has anybody else heard of suc...
by Hagoth
Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Proof
Replies: 21
Views: 19562

Re: Proof

Its "neatly" taken care by the catalyst theory. That works forks for the Abraham narrative itself but not for the Facsimile translations and is complicated by the fact that the text makes direct references to the facsimiles as being part of the source scroll. It is further complicated by the KEP an...
by Hagoth
Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:04 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: "And it came to pass" - evidence for BoM authenticity
Replies: 22
Views: 19560

Re: "And it came to pass" - evidence for BoM authenticity

Find me the phrase "probationary state" in any hebrew writings and I'll be impressed. I can only find it repeatedly in Hopkinsian magazine sermon 1824. This whole sermon reads like Alma. Interesting. Here's how the word probation is distributed in a scripture search on LDS.com: Old Testament (0) Ne...