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by Jeffret
Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:17 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Youth interviews with bishop
Replies: 12
Views: 10933

Re: Youth interviews with bishop

dareka wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:05 pm
I find it interesting that in the church it's not okay for a man and a woman who aren't married to each other to teach a classroom full of kids together, yet a bishop can be one-on-one with an unrelated minor behind a closed door. Hmm.
It's the power of the priesthood.
by Jeffret
Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:06 am
Forum: Support
Topic: How do I teach primary?
Replies: 64
Views: 43787

Re: How do I teach primary?

One determines it by the complaints one gets from his co-teacher or the kids' parents. Ah, so it's externally determined based upon what others think? :) Have you gotten complaints from the kids' parents? Tell them they can teach it -- that should help quiet things down. I have taught a little abou...
by Jeffret
Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:19 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Dealing with TBMs
Replies: 19
Views: 11950

Re: Dealing with TBMs

slavereeno wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:35 am
I am still deep in the throws of deconstruction and I don't claim to KNOW anything.
While the throes may end, I'm not sure the knowing anything ever does. At best, you just end up with more things to not know anything about.
by Jeffret
Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:03 am
Forum: Support
Topic: How do I teach primary?
Replies: 64
Views: 43787

Re: How do I teach primary?

slavereeno wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:39 pm
NOMinally Mormon wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:04 pm
As a substitute, I did a lot of hangman.
I haven't resorted to hangman yet, although I teach far more science then I should.
Should? What is this "should? How does one determine it?
by Jeffret
Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:59 am
Forum: Support
Topic: How do I teach primary?
Replies: 64
Views: 43787

Re: How do I teach primary?

slavereeno wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:35 pm
It does keep me out of gospel doctrine which is a huge plus!
Definitely. That's s what I strongly found after being released from years of callings that kept me out of GD and EQ. It was better being elsewhere and I couldn't stand the adult classes anymore. So I finally left.
by Jeffret
Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:29 am
Forum: Support
Topic: How do I teach primary?
Replies: 64
Views: 43787

Re: How do I teach primary?

I'd say skip the unfounded folklore and try to help the kids understand what it would've been like to have lived then. If you live in the Salt Lake area, talk about how things were different then and what it would've been like to arrive. If you live outside that area, generalize it away from a speci...
by Jeffret
Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:22 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Bishop change
Replies: 16
Views: 12987

Re: Bishop change

Corsair wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:52 am
However, he has no idea about my philosophy and I have restarted assembling the rhetorical strategy I will have to employ if he ever tries to call me as Ward Mission Leader or Elder's Quorum President.
"Just say no"
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:02 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does Belief Require Literalism?
Replies: 21
Views: 11337

Re: Does Belief Require Literalism?

Or consider a wide variety of paganism, pantheism, Wicca, or any number of individualized spiritual practices. Many of these people don't have any literal beliefs. From a little more traditional perspective there are the Unitarian Universalists. Their members tolerate a wide range of beliefs, but in...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:20 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does Belief Require Literalism?
Replies: 21
Views: 11337

Re: Does Belief Require Literalism?

This is where the next major reformation in Christianity is set to occur, a mass movement into a stage 5 religion. I like to use Star Wars as an example because of the Campbell and Jung influences. A myth like Star Wars doesn't need to be literally believed in order to evoke insight or a religious ...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:38 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does Belief Require Literalism?
Replies: 21
Views: 11337

Re: Does Belief Require Literalism?

Definitely not. But, it is easier to inspire intense devotion and loyalty that way. Literalism is one of the central components of a Stage 3 faith perspective. These are the people who are strongly aligned and strongly loyal to their tribe, their religious institution, and their recognized religious...
by Jeffret
Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:42 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Radio Free Mormon and TK smoothies
Replies: 8
Views: 4858

Re: Radio Free Mormon and TK smoothies

I thought the Church's position was that "Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose." Seems like they loudly proclaimed that.
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:38 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness
Replies: 22
Views: 16206

Re: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness

They, along with lots of others including Shapiro, invoke the slippery slope argument frequently when talking about these issues. There may be a need to label someone as mentally ill and prevent their desires if those desires will result in harm to others or themselves. This part right here is esse...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:57 pm
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness
Replies: 22
Views: 16206

Re: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness

Talking to some acquaintances about this the other night. They, along with lots of others including Shapiro, invoke the slippery slope argument frequently when talking about these issues. There may be a need to label someone as mentally ill and prevent their desires if those desires will result in ...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:03 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness
Replies: 22
Views: 16206

Re: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness

I think Shapiro and others react to what they view as someone else's view being impose on them. He and others seem to really resent having to refer to someone they think is a man as a woman. They think they are being required to do something that they disagree with. This is how it may be someones b...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:37 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The Unimportance Of Women's Work
Replies: 8
Views: 6296

Re: The Unimportance Of Women's Work

Church society and expectations are still based on a "1950's" model. American society in general undervalues women's work in many ways, but Mormon society lags well behind and these disparities are pretty much a necessity for Mormonism. Mormonism needs a family structure based on the somewhat mythic...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:14 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness
Replies: 22
Views: 16206

Re: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness

The reason I find it interesting is because as I have changed my religious views and shed some of the Mormon shackles, I find that my political views have become more liberal as well. I think this is pretty common. I wonder why that is? ... I thought this was interesting and educated me a little bi...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:06 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness
Replies: 22
Views: 16206

Re: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness

Shapiro insists on his unfettered right to his freedom of speech. Yet, he attempts to control what other people say and more importantly what other people do. It's a warped, biased approach. Some may even call it privileged. As he isn't a transgender person, a medical professional or researcher deal...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:47 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness
Replies: 22
Views: 16206

Re: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness

It sounds like Shapiro is trying to make a distinction that simply isn't supported by what we know and what we don't know. He says he's talking about people where their body is one sex but they feel they are a different sex. There are so many attempts at unwarranted distinctions in this type of a st...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:29 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness
Replies: 22
Views: 16206

Re: Ben Shapiro and transgender mental illness

I believe my fundamental questions regarding transgender people are: Does it really matter? Is it really any of my business? What can I do to better support people as they are without first requiring them to adhere to my own biases? I'm a pretty cisgender guy, though kind of gender non-conforming in...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:47 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sealing Cancellation
Replies: 18
Views: 12574

Re: Sealing Cancellation

So many people are married for "time and all eternity"....and the church emphasizes over and over the "eternity" portion. Why not place a little more effort on the "time" portion,...hunh? If the church did that, perhaps the "eternity" might work a little better. That was one of my big realizations ...