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My mother passed away from dementia about five years ago and my father currently suffers from it. Not a pretty thing and it effects some people differently than others depending on how quickly the disease progresses in the brain. Slower for some than others. As a general rule mornings are usually be...

OMH, this church just gets wackier each GC. Like that guy, what ever his name is, the one that stuck his foot in the door as a missionary. If some religious preacher did that at my house, I would call the police and have him arrested for trespassing. I was a little upset when he said that he'd done...

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Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:52 pm

He was not an apostle at the time so it doesn't count.

And yet he got that teaching from somewhere didn't he.........

Jeffrey Holland, 1975, describing how the continents were separated at the time of Noah, specifically for the purpose of keeping the Americas uninhabited: “Such a special place needed now to be kept apart from other regions, free from the indiscriminate traveler as well as the soldier of fortune. T...

This is no big deal.... Everyone knows that the church has never inferred that the Nephite/Lamanites were the only ones who came to this continent. In fact their genetic markers were so small and insignificant among the millions who already lived here that current leadership would be surprised if an...

If the 3 Witnesses are now only a visionary experience, then I can conclude that it was a sham from the beginning. The D&C Section in the voice of God, the written statement intended to prove the existence of the plates - it's just too much to blow off as though we have always taught it (pure gasli...

I think many of these women were psychologically "worked upon" by their circumstances and by Smith as well. Here they are in the midst of a people who for all intents and purposes worship at the feet of Smith and consider him second only to Christ, if that. From her description it nearly sounds as i...

Part of the issue with forcing people to see the BoM as evil since it's "Philosophies of men, mingled with scripture" is we start to focus on the unintended consequences. We're all human and make mistakes. What we do today we later smack our forehead tomorrow. For me, just taking the BoM as good at...

Hence Joseph's early attempt to sell the BoM copyright in Canada I have come to the conclusion that Joseph did this to find a way to finance the printing of the book while cutting Martin Harris out of the deal. Harris had lost the first 116 pages, which was a very disturbing setback for Joseph. Hav...

I don't necessarily disagree with everything you've said but I would like to point out a couple of things. 1. A number of people were having success at the time of Joseph writing romantic/religious novels and marketing them to the public. You will recall the attempt by Solomon Spalding. Hence Joseph...

O.k. I get where you're coming from. I thought you might be differentiating between the Joseph/Brigham "restoration" and all of it's offshoots as opposed to the original "Restorationist Movement" which was imported to America and preceded Joseph Smith's highjacking of that concept. I'm speaking of t...

So I'm a member of a church that is part of the Restoration and is a Restoration tradition church, but the technical term "Restorationist" is problematic. So regarding your church, is that a restoration in the tradition of the original "resorationist" movement or in the later literal tradition of J...

I recognize that I am pissing into the wind and my comments will be quickly disregarded but since I am a bit of a marplot I will add my dissenting voice. By way of background let me explain that since the 1960s I have read every piece of anti Mormon literature that came my way . I knew Sandra and J...

I was kind'a of the opinion that CoC had relinquished any view that the BoM is actually scripture. I think it's "o.k." if a member wants to believe in the BoM as having some inspired writing in it but it isn't to be viewed as canon. Therefore, if the BoM isn't true, then one can no longer assume tha...

It seems to me that the so called "oath and covenant" of the priesthood is one that is actually "understood" to be made rather than one that is actually vocalized by the recipient. In the New Testament the Lord actually forbids swearing and oath making by those who would follow Him. But from an LDS ...

In the Bible, Shadrack, Meshad, and Abendigo (and probably Daniel but he was not mentioned in that story) were taken as slaves when the Jews were taken captive into Babbalon and they were turned over to the palace eunuch. The palace eunuch was the person in charge of wives, concubines, and boy toys...

In the Bible, Shadrack, Meshad, and Abendigo (and probably Daniel but he was not mentioned in that story) were taken as slaves when the Jews were taken captive into Babbalon and they were turned over to the palace eunuch. The palace eunuch was the person in charge of wives, concubines, and boy toys...

I've never really understood this "incredible piece of work" thing. Could you explain? The timeline in the BoM is extremely confusing, and to really understand it you have to basically draw it out like a huge map. The story-line is extremely repetitive: Take the BoM "pride cycle" story, and repeat ...

So Hoax....That's fine. So the BoM was just a clever hoax??? Do you give it any Credence to how it was crafted??? Was he just a fabulous storyteller? That is very hard to make up a story like that in a Biblical tone that probably was hard to speak in???? Just a brilliant man with a clever hoax? Aga...

Regardless of the specifics of the book's genesis, it remains an obvious product of the King James Bible and 19th century misconceptions about the origins of the Native Americans. Same here. I really don't care whether it sprang from Joseph's imagination or whether he colluded with Oliver and Sidne...