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by deacon blues
Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:56 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Returning Missionary Procedures
Replies: 28
Views: 12927

Re: Returning Missionary Procedures

Really. Listen to this. You will not regret it if you can laugh at something called thebookumARmun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1Ez7MjvBU That talk would be greatly improved by the addition of a laugh track. He really had me on pins and needles for a while but I was relieved that he made it a...
by deacon blues
Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:19 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Eckhart Tolle describing NOMs
Replies: 16
Views: 7572

Re: Eckhart Tolle describing NOMs

Palerider wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:54 pm
I like to say, "Your friends don't always tell you what you need to hear."
So freaking true!!! Unless you cultivate friendly critics. Science does this. Messy but good governments do this. :D

I see some of this in NOM.

The CHURCH of Jesus Christ of LDS.... not so much.
by deacon blues
Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:06 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A Reasonable God?
Replies: 19
Views: 50586

Re: A Reasonable God?

Wonderful comments. I've said it before but it bears repeating. NOM beats the crap out of LDS Sunday School. Thank goodness for the South Valley Community of St. Judas too. :D Each new "revelation" tries to build on and reconcile previous traditions: ????-- Baal-- Jehovah--Jesus/Trinity-- Allah-- Mo...
by deacon blues
Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: A Reasonable God?
Replies: 19
Views: 50586

A Reasonable God?

Is the God you believe in reasonable? I was reading a 1978 journal of a liberal (white)Church member who was trying to rationalize why God decided June 1978 was the right time to lift the priesthood/temple ban. He rationalized that God was just waiting for the time when the (99.9%) white membership ...
by deacon blues
Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:26 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: LDS approach to history.
Replies: 5
Views: 12208

LDS approach to history.

I came across an interesting metaphor in reading Leonard Arrington's 1978 diaries today. To paraphrase- He said the Mormons believe in baptism by immersion, but many prefer to teach Church History by sprinkling. I thought it was clever and insightful explanation of the Church History which was being...
by deacon blues
Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:56 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Indoctrination
Replies: 3
Views: 6374

Indoctrination

To the tune of "Follow the Prophet."
Follow the prophet,
In-doc-tri-na-tion,
Through repetition
Still works today.
Follow the Prophet
In-doc-ti-na-tion
pure repetition,
Will make kids stay.

Just came to mind.
by deacon blues
Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:21 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Question about early missionaries to England/Scandinavia:
Replies: 5
Views: 7609

Re: Question about early missionaries to England/Scandinavia:

Good Comments. Another good book about emigrants from Europe is Tell It All by Fanny Stenhouse. It is quite long, but her account of learning about polygamy little by little, in the face of official denials by Church leaders and Missionaries is first hand. It's $1 on kindle.
by deacon blues
Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:01 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Past Stance Against Christianity
Replies: 10
Views: 8376

Re: Past Stance Against Christianity

If you're looking for top notch bigots start by looking in a Church. :?
by deacon blues
Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:59 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The usefulness of prophets
Replies: 12
Views: 8168

Re: The usefulness of prophets

A good therapist is likely to be more helpful than most prophets. ;)
Heck, a good friend is more helpful than most prophets. :D
by deacon blues
Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:55 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Slowly fading away? The future of NOM?
Replies: 54
Views: 15814

Re: Slowly fading away? The future of NOM?

ceeboo wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2023 12:06 pm
Hi Hagoth, (Wondering if you're Hagoth7 that I remember from many moons ago? If you are, nice to cross paths again.)
Hagoth wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:33 am
I think you're the first admitted never-Mo I've seen on NOM.
Talk about feeling immense pressure! :)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I love you guys soooo much.
by deacon blues
Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:50 am
Forum: The Coffee Shop
Topic: Why are powerful men.......horndogs?
Replies: 15
Views: 13005

Why are powerful men.......horndogs?

Like Boyd Packer, I want to treat this subject with reverence- ;)- but have you ever wondered why rich, powerful men so often seduce multiple women? From John Kennedy to Bill Clinton to Joseph Smith to Brigham Young to Leonardo Di Caprio to Jimmy Swaggert to Martin Luther King, when men get fame, po...
by deacon blues
Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:53 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: After 10+ years inactive, I decided to return for good
Replies: 27
Views: 13002

Re: After 10+ years inactive, I decided to return for good

…. But I’m happier being out.
And then there’s reality.😉
by deacon blues
Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:25 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: After 10+ years inactive, I decided to return for good
Replies: 27
Views: 13002

Re: After 10+ years inactive, I decided to return for good

I tried to convert my wife to post Mormonism a little, but now I try to explain how I see things differently, while validating her views and acknowledging I could be wrong, which seems to work better. My wife loves teaching primary and working in the temple. I see that it makes her happy which makes...
by deacon blues
Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:31 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: SL Trib: The church could be worth $1 Trillion by 2044
Replies: 11
Views: 7484

Re: SL Trib: The church could be worth $1 Trillion by 2044

So many comments that I agree with. 8-) Staggering information. :o
by deacon blues
Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:25 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Ultimate Conspiracy Theory?
Replies: 13
Views: 6955

Re: The Ultimate Conspiracy Theory?

Axioms that portray a devil's advocate sometimes appeal to me:
One ideology's freedom fighter is the opposing ideology's terrorist- and vice versa. :o
One person's conspiracy theory is another person's religion, and vice versa. :roll:
by deacon blues
Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:30 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How inspired was Paul from a Mormon perspective?
Replies: 6
Views: 6852

Re: How inspired was Paul from a Mormon perspective?

Two more things: Eph. 2:8-9 is the scripture that says "We are saved by grace, not works, lest any man should boast."
2: This is an example of my weird way of looking at things, wondering- What are those Mormons thinking?
by deacon blues
Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:33 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: How inspired was Paul from a Mormon perspective?
Replies: 6
Views: 6852

How inspired was Paul from a Mormon perspective?

As a missionary I had Ephesians 2:8-9 thrown in my face countless times. It was THE proof text that Mormons were wrong, that Mormons weren't really Christians, etc. When I first found a JS translation, I expectantly looked it up hoping to find that it had been mistranslated. "Strange," I thought at ...
by deacon blues
Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:21 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Slowly fading away? The future of NOM?
Replies: 54
Views: 15814

Re: Slowly fading away? The future of NOM?

NOM was a lifesaver for me when I first found it around 2012. When it disappeared for awhile I missed it, Other forums didn't fit as well. They were too contentious, or too shallow. I was really glad when it was brought back. I sense that the average age of contributors is 40 or above. I could be wr...
by deacon blues
Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:07 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does anyone tell the truth anymore
Replies: 16
Views: 7115

Re: Does anyone tell the truth anymore

:shock: Angel, can you simplify it for me? I'm 68 and slipping into senility? :oops:
by deacon blues
Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:39 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Does anyone tell the truth anymore
Replies: 16
Views: 7115

Re: Does anyone tell the truth anymore

I have the same feelings. I'm 68 and 13 years ago I found out that Church leaders were capable of deceiving themselves and others, but on reflection I realized that everyone, myself included deceives themselves and others. I believe there is a quality that is objective truth, but all humans have sub...