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Just as some consolation, the church are masters at hiding at troubling information. Masters. They've had a lot of practice, and even with the essays, the new Saints book, new videos and a new "openness," they are still controlling the narrative for 99% of the members. And it will ever be thus, bec...

Red Ryder wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 9:38 am

Malcom!


Good luck and come visit again.

Si Dios Quiere. Ojala. Spaghetti Monster willing!

Malcolm. I'm right there with ya bro !!!! I know how you feel but I have learned the gift of lying and indifference both of which I am getting much better at . Sometimes to survive in the jungle you must improvise, adapt and overcome !!!!! Hang on there bro ! Thanks MM. Yeah, I have done just that....

Malcom bro! So hard, so painful so Fd up! We also watched Waco last week. It was so relatable! Lots of the same emotions you had. We are also watching The Handmaid's Tale for the third time. So many parts of that are way too similar to mormonism. It's a tribalistic cultist formula that works way to...

Ah.. Brodie. Of course, much of it is probably my own confirmation bias, but Brodie's conclusions made a lot more sense to me. Solidarity eh? Take every opportunity that comes to "step away" from the cult in little ways to keep your sanity. I absolutely detest running, but it is a marathon we're de...

I hate that this is so messy and so lonely. And that's why people stay. It's why my parents won't see what they know is there. It's why we don't want to "catch the monkey" at times. I'm glad my kids are out. I'm sad for the wasted years. Believing the best about people who were just taking advantag...

Going to BYU can be a shelf-breaker. Your daughter is probably not the religious nut I was, but still. Suddenly I was around Mormons who taught evolution, real geology, psychology, and archaeology. I saw how the Honor Code was used to hurt people. The best teachers introduced nuance to church doctr...

You all are seriously amazing. The only place that can really relate. Better than FB groups, than friends IRL. And better than Reddit. You got me through some dark times. I am pretty inactive here most of the time. The apathy I am trying to channel takes my desire to post away. Today was a bit bette...

moksha wrote: ↑

Fri May 01, 2020 3:59 am

Have you ever listened to Chris Smith's presentation in Four Views of Joseph Smith from the Sunstone Symposium website?

I have heard of it, but never listened. Maybe this weekend. Thanks Moksha! How appropriate for you to come to my rescue!

So I have been in the throws of a formal faith crisis for 6 years. The first 3 I worked through stuff mostly alone and here on NOM. DW didnt want to hear anything and challenged my sources. I dont blame her. This stuff is scary. 2 years ago I ordered Brodie and it sat on my shelf. I had already come...

2bizE wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:39 pm

Could you please share the recipe for your Dad’s beans? They sound tasty.

Pinto beans, ham, onions, salt. That is about it I always out cheese on them.

So I have been studying the various FV accounts and reading several resources about them. I have encouraged my teenage daughters to read the Essay and the actual accounts themselves to gain their own opinion. I also wrote these 3 versions of a true story from my own life. I think you will see where ...

Right there with you MM. My DW has recently considered leaving the church, and sees the day when that could happen. However our life in the MorCor is so intertwined and we are not ready for the loss of community and backlash from family. The boredom is real. The biting of tongues in family conversat...

So this struck me today. I hope the church has stocked up on Purell, since it is sold out everywhere. No other community on the planet consumes foods touched by teenage boys like we do. I am guessing 90% have abused themselves in the last month, 60% in the last week, 25% in the last day, and 10% in ...

:Malcolm" in the Middle (of a Mormon enmeshed system) and "Villager" from the movie "The Village" which represents the part of me that understands the Mormon community and the hope it represents for an impossible utopia. I would probably pick something else if I could today, but it has been surprisi...

Such mixed feelings. I have a friend in my ward who is an open non-believer and he teaches my oldest daughter's SS class. I like it that he is there to keep the lessons reasonable. I recently was released from the stake YM (easiest calling for 3 years of nearly nothing). Now I teach 10 year old prim...

My parents are huge into dreams, dream interpretations, and even visions. I can never challenge their foundational visions and revelations about various topics. Interestingly, none of them really testify of the COJCOLDS or specific religion even. Just of love, protection, and eternal families.

I read that article this afternoon, as well as the posts by readers. It is heartbreaking. My oldest DD is his age. Life is too short. It is likely all we have. In all reality, it is all we have since any "veil of forgetfulness" effectively subdivided a "life" into disconnected pieces. May those who ...

Downloaded. Cant wait. Wish I could have been there live.

Interesting. There are thi gs I like about the tradition, ritual, and high liturgy there. I took my family to Christmas mass. It was a good change from our regular COJCOLDS attendance.