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by Not Buying It
Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:55 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Priesthood Bans & LGBT Support
Replies: 40
Views: 7484

Re: Priesthood Bans & LGBT Support

Why should anyone think the Proclamation on the Family is any more permanent or binding than the 1949 First Presidency proclamation that said Blacks didn't have the priesthood because they were less valiant in the Pre-existence (see https://missedinsunday.com/memes/race/proclamation-1949/ ). Whoa. ...
by Not Buying It
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:50 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Sidney Rigdon and Apostolic Succession
Replies: 5
Views: 1297

Re: Sidney Rigdon and Apostolic Succession

So long as Brigham was alive, there was no way Sidney Rigdon was taking over. Now, honestly, Brigham had a pretty good claim to it based on the fact that Peter, leader of the twelve apostles, took over the New Testament after the Ascension of Christ. But all the same, you think that megalomaniac was...
by Not Buying It
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Priesthood Bans & LGBT Support
Replies: 40
Views: 7484

Re: Priesthood Bans & LGBT Support

I disagree, Bishop G. I think most people reading the Family Proc would say that the intent of the authors is that gender is binary, essential, and eternal. And, while it was never officially canonized, most Mormons would consider it scripture, or if not scripture, certainty doctrinal. I can't reme...
by Not Buying It
Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:16 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Blistering article in SL Tribune about BYU honor code (and USU)
Replies: 4
Views: 1611

Re: Blistering article in SL Tribune about BYU honor code (and USU)

Misogyny is inherent in Mormonism. It is baked in. When males control everything in an organization, that organization will be irredeemably male-centric, and blind to the perspectives of women. There's no getting around it. Which is why you have the irony of a culture that is obsessed with sexual pu...
by Not Buying It
Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:43 am
Forum: Support
Topic: The Church finally addresses DezNat bullies - kind of
Replies: 2
Views: 900

The Church finally addresses DezNat bullies - kind of

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/12/15/clean-up-your-act-online/?fbclid=IwAR0h3n9cGpPPCVdrx2t00xydYY-7ILkC45ELsuAKixjvcbAvASnuPbJ9IcQ I would love to have seen them call DezNat out directly, it's kind of passive-aggressive to just slip a change into the Handbook. But it's more than I expected f...
by Not Buying It
Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:26 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Talk Help
Replies: 26
Views: 6012

Re: Talk Help

You can always completely ignore the topics given and talk about whatever you want. Just say that the spirit moved you such that you had to talk about something else. Yeah, just talk about whatever you want. No one will notice, probably not even the Bishop. I don't know why speakers always announce...
by Not Buying It
Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:09 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Where was John the beloved buried? Or was he not buried?
Replies: 30
Views: 10597

Re: Where was John the beloved buried? Or was he not buried?

Suppose for a minute John the Revelator really was translated and is roaming the earth, like the Three Nephites. They don't seem to be good for much. What exactly do they do with their time? They've had literally thousands of years to make some kind of impact on humanity, and all they seem to do is ...
by Not Buying It
Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:03 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Why Did I Teach Primary for 8 Years?
Replies: 9
Views: 2222

Re: Why Did I Teach Primary for 8 Years?

I've been in primary and loved my time in there. It's a great place to be for a NOM. If you've gotta have a calling as a NOM, Primary is perfect. I spent my time phoning it in, skipping everything I didn't agree with, and letting my mind wander during Sharing Time. It sure beat sitting in Sunday Sc...
by Not Buying It
Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:07 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Dehlin Alternate Reality
Replies: 25
Views: 6093

Re: Dehlin Alternate Reality

I was listening to the latest Mormon Stories podcast when I heard John Dehlin describe to his guest that NOM no longer exists. In a way he is right. If you consider a NOM to be a believer that has a very nuanced, cafiteria style of Mormonism, then they have been slowly been removed from the church....
by Not Buying It
Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:08 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Why Did I Teach Primary for 8 Years?
Replies: 9
Views: 2222

Why Did I Teach Primary for 8 Years?

So I came across this quote on Reddit today: As a former relief society leader, I know it's common practice to put new members, less actives, and other hard nuts to crack in primary in hopes that teaching the little ones the basics will teach the basics to the adult and thus inspire the spirit in al...
by Not Buying It
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?
Replies: 20
Views: 5661

Re: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?

What to do with Oliver C? I honestly don't know if he was in on it or was a dupe, but I lean more towards in on it. I really think Oliver believed JS could do it... I don't think he was in on it. The more you learn about how Oliver got brushed aside when Rigdon came in, the more I think that he was...
by Not Buying It
Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:52 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Dehlin Alternate Reality
Replies: 25
Views: 6093

Re: Dehlin Alternate Reality

Bah. John Dehlin has played a major role in educating a lot of people about aspects of the Church they may not have heard before, and I have to give him credit for that. But he's also kind of full of himself. And he has done some questionable things over the years that make me wonder about his judgm...
by Not Buying It
Mon Dec 06, 2021 6:08 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?
Replies: 20
Views: 5661

Re: HOW did Joseph Smith write the BOM?

I don't particularly care how he did it. It is clearly not what the church portrays it as nor as they credit it. That's enough to be done with it. The details are flecks of history. Historians can figure it out, I have better things for my limited time. Bingo! It obviously isn't what it claims to b...
by Not Buying It
Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:28 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Dulce et Decorum est
Replies: 3
Views: 1741

Re: Dulce et Decorum est

I've always loved Dulce et Deocrum est - check out the Zombie's "Butcher's Tale (Western Front 1914)" for a similar viewpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqr7ohMkuQA . Heaping glory on those who suffered unspeakable pain unnecessarily by way of sheer arrogance and incompetence of their leaders,...
by Not Buying It
Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:20 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Mormon Bishop Accuses LDS Church Of Atrocities
Replies: 20
Views: 7969

Re: Mormon Bishop Accuses LDS Church Of Atrocities

Good on ya Stealth. That took a lot of courage. I respect that tremendously.
by Not Buying It
Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Is there any way to find out who the last living polygamist church leader was?
Replies: 13
Views: 4561

Re: Is there any way to find out who the last living polygamist church leader was?

Richard R. Lyman excommunicated in 1943 for adultery. If I remember the story right, it was arranged that he be met at the door where he stayed with his polygamist wife, by a Salt Lake Police officer and a photographer from the Deseret News, in the middle of the night. He was photographed in his ga...
by Not Buying It
Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:35 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: General Konference Predictions
Replies: 33
Views: 10174

Re: General Konference Predictions

Maybe I just didn't see it, but it looks like you maybe all missed the obvious one: FOLLOW THE PROPHET!!! There is no way President Nelson is going to tolerate the pushback he got on his mask and vaccine announcement. They will double down hard on following the prophet. The little rebellion we see o...
by Not Buying It
Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:27 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Casting out evil spirits?
Replies: 16
Views: 4365

Re: Casting out evil spirits?

Well, let's apply Occam's Razor - which carries the fewest assumptions, the idea that there really are evil spirits who are invisible to the eye most of the time, seem to only ever be detected by those associated with a belief system that accepts the idea of the existence evil spirits, and can only ...
by Not Buying It
Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:15 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Who are the apologists?
Replies: 9
Views: 2777

Re: Who are the apologists?

To me it's not so much if it's smart or not, but just that it's the only thing they can do. The only backfire they could encounter from FAIR is that members realize there are so many other problems beyond the one they went to FAIR's site from, which has happened to people as well. You're right. The...
by Not Buying It
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:56 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Should anti-maskers in youth/primary callings be released?
Replies: 8
Views: 2722

Re: Should anti-maskers in youth/primary callings be released?

Let's face it: With the COVID numbers in the Moridor right now, LD$-Inc. would have shut down in-person meetings if they cared at all about attendees. Keeping primary children safe, or promoting obedience to those kids seems to be the last thing on the minds of "leadership." Butts in seats probably...