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by RubinHighlander
Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:05 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New marketing manual from dear leader
Replies: 12
Views: 8435

Re: New marketing manual from dear leader

I see chapter 9 on finding people includes a new section called "Keep lines in the water." It's a extended metaphor comparing missionary work to fishing, in which a bait is deceptively attached to a fishing line with a hidden hook that's almost impossible to escape from once set and that is exceedi...
by RubinHighlander
Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:01 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: The Black Hole
Replies: 4
Views: 6505

Re: The Black Hole

I think a lot of those black holes lack Hawkin's radiation, so nothing escapes. I have a TBM BIL that my DW has been getting into the weeds with a bit lately, everything distorted and melded to fit into the view TSCC has prescribed for him. There's no way to have an open conversation with someone th...
by RubinHighlander
Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Cost of a Janitor
Replies: 28
Views: 13291

Re: The Cost of a Janitor

How long ago was it TSCC reduced building maintenance staff here in UT and started having their Saints receive the blessing of scrubbing those toilets? Like 15 years ago? Makes me wonder if they have the church office building staff doing all the cleaning there instead of hiring it out. "Here's you ...
by RubinHighlander
Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:41 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Doing Good
Replies: 10
Views: 7370

Re: Doing Good

After the mental escape from TSCC matrix, I remember how refreshing it was to do some service and good deeds and know there was no BS wrapped around them; no points, no record in heaven or hell, nobody on earth or otherwise keeping score, at least in my new reality view. Shifting time that used to b...
by RubinHighlander
Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:42 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Slowly fading away? The future of NOM?
Replies: 54
Views: 15812

Re: Slowly fading away? The future of NOM?

Lots of great points made here as to the value of this tiny spot in the great digital global matrix. The fact that NOM has provided not only a space where opinions can be expressed and respected, but the real connections, the physical ones. I too recognize the tone here, free from the spew of hyperb...
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:11 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: FAIR's how-to-study guide
Replies: 12
Views: 3042

Re: FAIR's how-to-study guide

Good responses, but I'm pretty sure the gloomy part for me when I started uncovering lies from the church was the same as other times I got suckered into a bad deal, or lied to by someone you trusted who stole your money. The real gloom for me was knowing I got conned. The hair on the back of your ...
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:07 am
Forum: Support
Topic: We do not feel that we’re obligated to fill in that box.
Replies: 11
Views: 1624

Re: We do not feel that we’re obligated to fill in that box.

This is where they talk out both sides of their mouths and always want to have it both ways.
"We believe in being subject to the laws of the land, expect for our Jebus money, that transcends man's laws. Our god's ways are not man's ways...at least poor man's ways, just rich man's ways. " -- no one
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jun 29, 2023 4:08 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Feelin the feels.
Replies: 18
Views: 7565

Re: Feelin the feels.

Up until the last couple years I was a skeptic of these things. Now I just don't know because I've experienced some things that feel like they go beyond coincidental probability. I've definitely increased in empathy with my dw and we are often in synch emotionally and somewhat physically, especially...
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:44 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Book of Mormon reaction
Replies: 14
Views: 2603

Re: Book of Mormon reaction

Hagoth: Since the recipient of your "teachings" has a Catholic background, did you ask her about the talking snakes and talking donkeys in "her" holy book? :twisted: Exactly this Fluff! I would love to have asked her about all those bible stories and how she sifts out historical facts from fables. ...
by RubinHighlander
Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:46 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: So, why did Jesus have to die?
Replies: 23
Views: 4918

Re: So, why did Jesus have to die?

It was a manufactured event used as a tool by religionist to continually abuse their followers into submission with guilt and fear. Therefore, the logic of it does not matter because gods ways are not your ways unless you are trying to control a lot of people at a very low level and get them to pay ...
by RubinHighlander
Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: New marketing manual from dear leader
Replies: 12
Views: 8435

New marketing manual from dear leader

https://www.ksl.com/article/50672148/after-20-years-missionaries-for-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-receive-a-new-manualI I see you have a new marketing manual here. A new manual? Yes, patterned after the old one we used to use. I have no idea what's in the new manual or any opinio...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:44 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Pride works both ways.
Replies: 13
Views: 1441

Re: Pride works both ways.

Many of my educated and successful TBM friends fall into the TSCC's pride cycle. This is probably the biggest hurdle for them to overcome, if they ever allow themselves to fact check it. The church is true because they are in it, invested financially, emotionally and physically and would never be mi...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:29 am
Forum: Gatherings, Events, and Announcements
Topic: Bear Lake ID
Replies: 3
Views: 23503

Re: Bear Lake ID

We prefer the north end beach, morning to 2pm is best, then it usually gets breezy. We are planning some days up there in September. There's boat and jet ski rentals not too far away. We also like visiting Paris Idaho (antique store there, ice cave up Paris Canyon). Glacier lake and rope swing up Bl...
by RubinHighlander
Wed Jun 07, 2023 2:07 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: Revisiting my thoughts on an afterlife.
Replies: 12
Views: 1463

Re: Revisiting my thoughts on an afterlife.

Well Red, FWIW here's my nutshell spin on this topic: I reject all religious explanations of an afterlife. The Mormon afterlife seems especially ridiculous to me now. I reserve about 5% of my belief sphere for "maybe something but IDK and nobody does" I've read and listened to dozens of trip reports...
by RubinHighlander
Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:36 am
Forum: Support
Topic: NeverMo friend and eternal families
Replies: 4
Views: 588

Re: NeverMo friend and eternal families

I don't like that he has this false impression of the church "I know the Mormon church does a lot of good for a lot of people.."
But at least he recognizes the family wars that TSCC creates with their dogma and rules.
The worst is the kid caught in the middle of this mess.
by RubinHighlander
Tue May 16, 2023 4:36 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: 60 Minutes this week: LDS & SEC
Replies: 27
Views: 2711

Re: 60 Minutes this week: LDS & SEC

Something that I do not understand from the 60 Minutes interview was with the Former IRS, Tax Law guy…he said the IRS will likely not do anything to the church for using its non-prophet EPA fund to bail out the Insurance company…he said there were too many political risks…what does that mean? How w...
by RubinHighlander
Tue May 16, 2023 8:08 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: The Great God Tom Phillips
Replies: 6
Views: 908

Re: The Great God Tom Phillips

I'm going with Frank Zappa...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olp0JGIFMic
by RubinHighlander
Wed May 10, 2023 8:57 am
Forum: Support
Topic: Reframing
Replies: 6
Views: 893

Re: Reframing

I do think I've been making some progress on this. I still do a lot of eye rolling when I come up against the culty cultural angst. But I try to follow it up with "Remember, you were there once." It's not just the former church life, but trying to keep my attitude toward it now in a place of empathy...
by RubinHighlander
Wed May 03, 2023 9:38 am
Forum: Support
Topic: 1m settlements are not a pattern changer for TSCC
Replies: 9
Views: 1325

1m settlements are not a pattern changer for TSCC

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/2-3b-awarded-in-sex-abuse-lawsuit-that-named-lds-church?dicbo=v2-NZ5A6YD $2.3B awarded in sex abuse lawsuit that named LDS Church How the hell does a 2.3B award get pared down to 1M? This level of payout is not enough to change the behavioral patterns of this...
by RubinHighlander
Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:49 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?
Replies: 29
Views: 3767

Re: Gratuitous violence in the BOM?

Angel wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:46 pm
RubinHighlander wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2023 2:25 pm

It's interesting there's no polygamy in the BOM;
Simple, no females were really written about. Who cares about girls? Nothing worth saying anything about at all.
Unless she was a really beautiful well known harlot. JS seems to be a bit preoccupied with that at times.