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Anyone know of a site where a record of 1st Pres. letters can be found? Is it this one from April, 1969? http://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Quotes/Birth%20Control%20Family%20Size.htm Wow BTM! You're the bomb! The 1969 quote from David O McKay is probaby as close as we'll get. The policy and doctrine ...

When I read the title of this thread just now, I thought, "There's a pill for men now? And the Q15 are on it? Why??" :D My grammar is found wanting. Yeeeah...I doubt much is happening for those guys these days... But you never know. Some of the early church leaders of advanced years had children wi...

LDS Living just came out with this article about what "prophets" have actually said regarding how many children LDS couples are to have. http://www.ldsliving.com/Birth-Control-What-the-Prophets-Have-Actually-Said/s/87032 Of course it is exclusive of any statements before the 1990s I believe. Everyt...

I have wondered if this is one reason the Mountain Meadows killers disguised themselves as Indians. This is a possibility. But going incognito seems more in line with the leadership's desire to do something ugly or unseemly and not have to take responsibility for it. "I only have one wife." Joseph ...

Great podcast Consiglieri! Just wish you had included all of the lying done by Brigham Young, both to members of the church and to the public, in regards to Mountain Meadows massacre. The rumor mill was churning even back then and members came to highly suspect that Brigham was lying, but what could...

It really isn't different from the revelation on using water instead of wine for the sacrament. Backstory is that the Whitmers? came by to visit Joseph and decided to do the sacrament. Joseph had no wine (or money) but let on that he would take his buggy to town and buy some. A short time later he r...

Are we certain mythology was labeled a fabrication from the get-go? The label "mythology" is declared by those who either no longer believe or never believed to begin with. But the word "mythology" implies" by definition fabrication or possibly better put as "conjecture"? Just as non-belief fails t...

To achieve "fun" and "enrichment" there is no literal belief required. Mythology by definition claims fabrication as it's genesis and yet can be instructive. The duality of scripture as an amalgamation of myth and fact requires a concerted effort to hunt down the factual, while still finding truth i...

Found it here in this thread on the McConkie Papers!

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2096

I think we had a thread here on this awhile back. They possibly knew about ova and sperm but they didn't see ovum as carrying any design material. More of a place for the male seed material in which to grow the "mini-baby".

The thoughts are there, but many fear admitting it, even to themselves. Probably a better way of saying it is that, "They can't or won't allow the possibility that their assumption could be wrong." The critical term you used is "fear". It was an extremely difficult hurdle for me to face the possibi...

Some things come to mind: 1. Mitigate, mitigate, mitigate. We cannot go back in time and watch and hear what happened with our own eyes and ears, therefore we must give Joseph the benefit of the doubt. 2. Quote Joseph and the modern "scriptures" as proof texts of how we should view these problems, e...

I don't know what Ballard's professional background is, but hopefully he was an expert in his chosen area and if I need to know something about "business" or "law" or "finance" or whatever it was, I could go to him and he could help me. Unfortunately the area of expertise I was looking for would hav...

I always envisioned things being much much easier in the CK. All a "god" has to do is LOOK at his wife and she's pregnant. I had nearly that experience here on earth myself..... Birthing babies isn't done through sorrow any more but it's more like blowing bubbles....it kind of tickles in a marvelous...

I can't remember for sure who it was that told me about this policy. Maybe my Bishop or SP at the time. But it was just a "casual" mention before I even left. That was in the 70's.

I guess the Savior would probably say the same thing. Or Peter or Paul....they were manipulative like that.

My son sent me this one. Pretty hilarious.

https://weirdalma.bandcamp.com/track/tapirback-rider

Hate to keep harping on this but this is the expected fruit that grows out of a legalistic and works based doctrine.....if you're looking for a little Grace in the LDS organization that's exactly what you're going to find....very little.

"The beatings will continue until moral improves."

"Satan created the Spaulding manuscript to give us an imitation of the real scripture, the Book of Mormon and to create doubts in our minds. And furthermore in no way does it resemble the BofM story....." From Spaulding's Manuscript Found : Within this cavity I found an earthen box with a cover whic...

:evil: The Bible at least has some empirical adequacy. World scholars can debate it's efficacy but how it came into being is a limited argument. It is verifiably ancient. How it came into being is has three main theories but the hard evidence is actually very limited. The oldest fragment is from Num...

Not all, but the majority of the inconsistencies are between the Bible and science. Of the internal inconsistencies many can be resolved with a little homework. As you can see I tend to mitigate for the Biblical scriptures. I think the reason LDS scholars don't aggressively critique the Bible is bec...