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by Jeffret
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:29 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I just stayed in nursery with the kids and didn't go to their oh so very important meeting. It was about porn. For a few years every special meeting, particularly the priesthood-only ones were about porn. They just couldn't get enough of it. I wouldn't be surprised. There are some people who are re...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:28 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

All of the lessons regarding wife were along the lines of: they're so much better and more spiritual than us; we need to help and cherish them more. I also grew up feeling like the priesthood was for men but that women probably didn't need it. They were already good enough to do things without havi...
by Jeffret
Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:36 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

Another one came to mind. At first I discounted it. Because I couldn't think of anything that specifically taught it. But then I recalled that's how some of the most insidious ones are taught. Quietly, without ever actually stating them out loud. Sociologists explain that it's the unspoken taboos th...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:54 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

The specific lessons in how to be a “righteous” man include things like “putting your foot down” and “wearing the pants” and WOW, “punishing your wife” as if you are her father and she is 5. This, in all of its many facets, was definitely woven all throughout the patriarchal experience. It's consta...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:33 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I'm not sure this other thing really fits into the question, but it is a thing that definitely annoyed me for many years. The Mormon patriarchy teaches that an ordained man has some particular ability as a healer, through priesthood blessings. I always found that such a farce. Most women, because of...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:24 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

One of the things the Mormon patriarchy taught me is that a man's worth is determined by how high up the hierarchy he climbs. His spirituality and his position before god are determined by the height of his calling. This idea is generally held in any kyriarchy or hierarchy, but it conveys the additi...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:13 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

On a personal level, one of the things that the Mormon patriarchy taught me growing up in Utah was that a woman or girl controls a man or a boy's sexual response or behavior. A girl who dresses a certain way will necessarily induce sexual desire in a boy and he has no control in how he responds. Thi...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:06 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

Gabriele Falloppio, an Italian anatomist born in 1523, claimed to have been the first person to discover the clitoris. We can easily assume that many, many people had discovered it aeons before that, but they had some very notable differences from him. This is certainly related to the concept that ...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 25, 2023 11:56 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I'm going to re-order alas's comments a little to comment what I want to first. My mother calls men who are very heavy in this need to dominate and have power as suffering from testosterone poisoning. And too much testosterone does increase aggressiveness. So, see why testosterone poisoning. In a di...
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:21 am
Forum: Support
Topic: A Uchtdorf rise to the Prophetic throne is reasonable.
Replies: 23
Views: 12625

Re: A Uchtdorf rise to the Prophetic throne is reasonable.

Here it is in a nice, handy chart: http://www.threestory.com/apostles/ Statistically speaking, Nelson isn't likely to make it more than a couple more years. Oaks seems to be reasonably healthy for a 91 year old, so it's likely he'll ascend to the throne. Finally, he'll be able to make the changes he...
by Jeffret
Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:32 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I also find it fascinating how conversations can veer off in unexpected directions that take them miles from the original topic. I also confess to being one of the worst perpetrators of said veering. Eh ... I'm one of the biggest offenders at that. I know it really bugs some people, so I try not to...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:23 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

All human cultures have been ruled by men. In human history we have never had one where the ruling power was held only by women. This is well outside my area of expertise or anything I've studied, but I have read that there have been matriarchal societies, or societies ruled by women. So, yeah, I d...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:40 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

So, no, men are not dominant because of patriarchy. We have patriarchy because men like to dominate. I remain unconvinced that patriarchal structures have no influence or that we can wholly exclude patriarchy from any causality. My observation is that some of these behaviors and desires are greater...
by Jeffret
Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:01 pm
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

Women don’t equate the control and domination of their partner with eroticism, so women don’t sexually abuse near as much, and when they do, it is usually motivated by different things. This is pretty clearly driven by patriarchy. Men pursue control and domination because the patriarchy tells them ...
by Jeffret
Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:19 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

Lesbians just ignored in a lot of this. Yeah, that's interesting. No preisthood, not such a big deal. It's an aspect of patriarchy, which is certainly abundant in Mormonism. It's hard to say exactly why, but there are certainly some forces driving it. There have never been as much effort in convert...
by Jeffret
Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:40 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"
Replies: 64
Views: 31617

Re: Thom Harrison and "Visions of Glory"

I'm wondering if there is a connection to Thom Harrison here. We have seen that Harrison has some sort of influence with the church in recommending therapists, and we have seen that his preferred therapists appear to be oriented around the Visions of Glory movement. Also, Owen seemed to be doing a ...
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:50 pm
Forum: Support
Topic: One more thread severed: ministering
Replies: 14
Views: 2139

Re: One more thread severed: ministering

As a EQP Secretary it was always annoying to track down numbers for reporting. Once I realized everyone was either lying or not answering the phone, I just looked at the average for the year and maintained that for the reporting. It was much easier than spending numerous hours and reporting 14% and...
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:03 am
Forum: Support
Topic: One more thread severed: ministering
Replies: 14
Views: 2139

Re: One more thread severed: ministering

I have zero faith or even belief that such beings exist, ... What about the hope that a beneficent universal superbeing exists? With an emphasis on the beneficent part, that idea really appeals to me. Also, the concept of an afterlife where you can see friends and loved ones again would be great. U...
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:58 am
Forum: Doctrinal Discussion
Topic: Has Tim Ballard Been Excommunicated?
Replies: 30
Views: 14021

Re: Has Tim Ballard Been Excommunicated?

Clearly, there were also other Church leaders with at least some connection to Tim's schemes and the efforts to spread "the gospel". They had some awareness of it and some support, at least tacit. The Church supported Tim's work, up until it became a liability. Thanks to Glenn Beck we now also know...
by Jeffret
Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:58 am
Forum: Support
Topic: One more thread severed: ministering
Replies: 14
Views: 2139

Re: One more thread severed: ministering

The last few years I was involved with the Church, I just declined to have anything to do with Home Teaching. I had already been putting off Home Teachers wanting to visit us, because we were really busy, which we were. I just stopped doing anything more with it. I was annoyed that they just assign ...