Corsair wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:33 pm
LeoWinegar wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:33 pm
Do NOM's have a specific set of beliefs, or some kind of unifying position? Great to be here.
No, not really. We are largely unbelievers and most of us still engage with the institutional church, usually because we are married to believers. Still, you can find some with Christian or at least deist beliefs.
A lot of our discussion is around dealing with what our faithful family members do as temple recommend holding Mormons and what they are told by LDS leaders. The recent talks by Elder Corbridge and Elder Renlund have been much discussed recently, primarily due to the disdain they implicitly offer most of us. It would be charitable to simply say that we profoundly disagree with their recent messages.
A significant concern we have is that there is no official forum to explain our position and concerns. The perhaps "uncharitable" position is that the institutional church has done the math and figured that holding onto the conservative believers is better for their organizational longevity than worrying about us. I would be happy to simply leave the church and leave the church alone, but, having a faithful extended family, that is simply not possible.
I hear you about the lack of an official forum! We began Uplift in 2017, and when I heard Elder Cook say these words in GC, I was surprised/pleased:
"In the home-centered, Church-supported portion of this adjustment, there is flexibility for each individual and family to determine prayerfully how and when it will be implemented. For example, while this will greatly bless all families, based on local needs it would be completely appropriate for young singles, single adults, single parents, part-member families, new members,10 and others to gather in groups outside
the normal Sunday worship services to enjoy gospel sociality and be strengthened by studying together the home-centered, Church-supported resource. This would be accomplished informally by those who so desire."
I see our church leaders as purposely keeping an arms length from anything that could be misconstrued as an official forum for apologetics. Because, as we know, any place that allows for people to "explain our position and concerns", we would have a need for our members to dialogue to these concerns.
Church meetings are a place for simple worship, and I'm glad it has been kept that way. Every member is on a very different level when it comes to church history knowledge and concerns around contemporary issues (i.e. the Nov 5th policy).
So, when I started Uplift in 2017 with a good friend of mine, I remember feeling extremely clear direction from God. Not that I'm anything special, but looking back, God's hand has been in Uplift. It's a place for people to express concerns constructively, meaning that they want to heal from crisis by rebuilding faith.
Communities like ExMo Reddit, ATF and MSPC (just to name a few) have filled this void for some time, but there really wasn't a faithful alternative. So, for anyone who reads this, and is interested in rebuilding faith over time, maybe check out Uplift? There's nothing in it for me, other than I get the honor of becoming friends with people, and helping people to reduce the painful cognitive dissonance that we all know too well.
Maybe give it a thought, and you can certainly message me privately (firstname.lastname@example.org
) if that is more comfortable.
Have a good weekend!