alas wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:11 am
I recognize that angel as belonging to an old time poster by the initials S.P.G. Hi.
Anyway, about Covid, it does sound a lot like the science is flip flopping. But part of that is the press who are anxious to jump on any little hint of answers. So, when the scientists says, “it is too early to tell.” Or they try to save the face masks for the health professionals, their words of “face masks are not necessary for the average person at THIS time” is shortened to “face masks don’t do any good. (You know, that wasn’t what I heard the scientists saying) so, when the scientist says “I don’t know yet!” the reporter pushes him for a best guess, then they publish that as fact, when it was THEM who refused to take “I don’t know,” as an answer. I have listened to the scientist say over and over, “this is a new virus, and we just don’t know yet.” Then some politician says crap and the people who are desperate for answers jump on it as if it came from science. Then I suspect Trump is putting pressure on the CDC, and they retract a statement because he forces them to. Such as their recently retracted statement that Covid can be airborne. Well, duh, I know even enough about other Corona viruses to know that Corona viruses get transferred from person to person by microscopic air particles = airborne. Of course this new one is too. All of its close cousins are, like the common cold. But because of politics, science is being bullied to change their mind. So, I trust science to EVENTUALLY give us answers, but I don’t always trust everything that gets said in the news and I keep in mind that scientists have been bullied before and they will be again because some people don’t always like the answers.
Hi alas, it's been a while since we've talked. I stop by, now and then, to see that you have given some great wisdom that I really cannot argue with, so I move along.
I can see where you are coming from with the COVID-19 thing. And that is one "obvious" take on it. But I was also referring to the "followers" of the science. A cautious stance for science to take is the "I don't know." Because, well, they don't know. But, another form of science quickly emerged called, "I don't know anyone that got sick or died, how bad can it be?" But, I follow the rules and wear the mask-like everyone else because hey, I need supplies.
I was running the numbers constantly in the beginning; before I just didn't care anymore, but almost everyone that died had another deadly disease, like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, etc. Most vulnerable were the elderly that had these co-morbidities. Now, I don't know if it is considered science, but this pandemic, here in America, wasn't the much deadly and then anything that comes through here. It was VERY contagious, but wasn't that deadly, by itself.
But people with agendas, from all sides, would "quote the science" to manipulate people to do what they want. Reminded me of the church authority structure, like quoting the scriptures to compel your neighbor to give you part of the harvest. Like, our governor still won't let some business open up because they are not "essential." It seems to me that some governors intentionally hurt the economy of the state, so they either demand emergency funds or stick it to the man. Or like that fires in California being about global warming. Back in the '70s and '80s, when there was some concern of an ice-age, the EPA shut down lumber harvesting on Kiabab mountain. Within a few years, the forest was sick and having wildfires, but they claimed it was natural. People say, (I don't live there) that California did the same thing. Science, and our lack of understanding of it, might be killing the Colorado River.
WTFluff asked what "religion" could have done for this. They would have done what they always do. They would have prayed, gone to church, got sick, some would have died, and most would have never noticed that something was wrong. I remember times I choose to stay out of church because the Flu was going around. But this forcing people to close their businesses, their churches, their schools, etc., did way more harm than good. I don't know either, but Trump claims that he saved almost 2 million lives because he shut down travel, and I remember, they were predicting that. But we don't know, and I think they just way overrated it. Of course, Trump has to save face by claiming it would have been much worst, but I believe that everyone was surprised that it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be.
But they claim they follow the science. But when me and my doctor were sure I had the swine-flu, and we wanted to test my daughter, they wouldn't do it. It was like they didn't want those numbers on their books. But now they want to test the whole nation for COVID. Why?
Anyway, I thought actually had it back in January, but a test showed that I didn't. Whatever breathing problems I was having, which seemed exactly like covid, were something else.
But back this guy being frustrated. It's great living in an environment where everyone thinks like you, except that you have to think like everyone else. When you enter that zone of thinking for yourself, (to whatever degree you think you are) it gets frustrating because everyone doesn't agree with you. Now, some ex-mormons find that there is a large community outside of the church that think just like them, which is why this place was so popular for a while. But any real unique thinking will have you feeling lonely and frustrated.