Church 2021 Annual Report - "Caring For Those In Need"

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Church 2021 Annual Report - "Caring For Those In Need"

Post by SincereInquirer » Fri May 13, 2022 4:07 pm

I still get email blasts from the Mormon Church...most of the time I successfully delete them before any review of the content, but I (unfortunately) opened this one that I received this afternoon. A link in the email directs you to a pretty 48 page PDF that purports to be an "annual report on various facets of our work to care for God's children" and is signed by the first presidency. Link is here:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/ ... f?lang=eng

The report says that there were $906,000,000 in expenditures, 3,909 humanitarian projects, 6,800,000 hours volunteered, and 188 countries and territories served. However, it only clearly indicates that the 3,909 humanitarian projects were from 2021...unless I missed it, it doesn't clearly say whether all of the reported number of expenditures, hours volunteered, and countries and territories served were all in 2021 or not.

The report (as per standard Church reporting practice) fails to provide any backup for any of the purported numbers that are provided, but it does have lots of pretty pictures, some faith promoting generalized stories about all the good they are doing, and 28 footnotes that for the most part reference articles from Church magazines and a few bland news articles...

The publication of this annual report is interesting to me. Unless I missed them, I think this is the first time the Church itself has issued an "Annual Report" like this? Does anyone know whether that is the case? Google showed me annual reports from LDS Charities from 2013 to 2020 (that are similar in format), but I didn't locate any other reports for the Church itself.

Every time the Church puts out something like this, I have to take a step back and wonder why? My belief is that they don't do things unless they are reacting to something and/or trying to grease the skids for current members to feel good and use the information as fact when responding to others that aren't quite as believing as them (see, for example, the publication of the "essays"). Maybe this has been issued in response to the recent "last hurrah" report put out by the Truth and Transparency folks on all of the Mormon Church real estate holdings in the US?

If the Church would just realize that opening the books and be accountable for what they were doing with all of the money and real estate that they have, they wouldn't have to keep putting up smoke and mirrors on these sorts of things. Smoke and mirrors works for the faithful I guess.

Then again, if they opened the books and were accountable, maybe they know they would have fewer adherents because everyone would clue in to the fact that the Church is just a very large real estate holding and investment company hording riches and giving very little of what they have accumulated to those in need. They aren't about "Mormon" anymore, but they are still definitely all about "Mammon".

I now can't wait to read their 2022 annual report.
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Re: Church 2021 Annual Report - "Caring For Those In Need"

Post by Red Ryder » Fri May 13, 2022 11:16 pm

The 906 a million spent:

$906 million
was expended to help those in need through:
■ FAST-OFFERING ASSISTANCE, which provides temporary financial help to those in need.
■ BISHOPS’ ORDERS FOR GOODS, including giving food and commodities from bishops’ storehouses and Deseret Industries stores to those in need.
■ HUMANITARIAN PROJECTS, including charitable relief in communities across the world.
■ DONATED COMMODITIES, including Church-produced goods provided to communities through food banks and other agencies.
■ DONATED CLOTHING, including discounted or free apparel given to Deseret Industries.
■ CHURCH OPERATIONS, including Family Services counseling, employment centers, farms and food-processing facilities, and Deseret Industries.

Interesting to read how they conclude donated clothing in the expenditure number. My professional life tells me this is all lass through and the church is taking credit for expenditures.

I’m not so cold hearted that I have to dispute the goodness the church does for humanity. But I do have to question how much they tweak the data to pay themselves in the back.
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Post by Angel » Sat May 14, 2022 1:27 pm

$900/??members? 900/10? = $90/member?
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Post by alas » Sat May 14, 2022 6:55 pm

Money comes from humanitarian donations and fast offerings. None of the money comes from tithing. So, this is all donations that are on top of tithing. Pretty disgusting when you consider that my husband and I donate more than the $90 per member in fast offerings each year. Oh, and he still pays tithing on my income, even though I no longer consider myself a member. I asked him not to once, but decided it wasn’t worth making him feel like he has lost me for eternity and didn’t fight it.

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Post by moksha » Sun May 15, 2022 5:21 am

Almost all of the $906 million (roughly $850 million of the total) relates to fast-offering pass-through, solicited from members and given back to other members via Church welfare and Bishop's storehouse projects. Charity-wise, the amount was 40 million.
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Post by jfro18 » Sun May 15, 2022 6:18 am

moksha wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 5:21 am
Almost all of the $906 million (roughly $850 million of the total) relates to fast-offering pass-through, solicited from members and given back to other members via Church welfare and Bishop's storehouse projects. Charity-wise, the amount was 40 million.
Do they provide that info anywhere? I skimmed through it but noticed that they were intentionally vague throughout so you could never actually put numbers to any of the sections beyond the generic datapoints they wanted to give.

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Post by moksha » Sun May 15, 2022 1:01 pm

jfro18 wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 6:18 am
Do they provide that info anywhere? I skimmed through it but noticed that they were intentionally vague throughout so you could never actually put numbers to any of the sections beyond the generic datapoints they wanted to give.
Here is a further breakdown of info:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... expended/?
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Post by SincereInquirer » Sun May 15, 2022 11:10 pm

moksha wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 1:01 pm
jfro18 wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 6:18 am
Do they provide that info anywhere? I skimmed through it but noticed that they were intentionally vague throughout so you could never actually put numbers to any of the sections beyond the generic datapoints they wanted to give.
Here is a further breakdown of info:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... expended/?
Thanks for sharing this link.

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Post by Cnsl1 » Sat May 21, 2022 5:57 am

I remember trusting that what I gave to the church through humanitarian and fast offerings would be used for those purposes, and not get tied up in administrative costs.

I was not thrilled when they changed the wording on the donation slips to indicate they could use any donation at their discretion and for any purpose. With no transparency in finances (at least in the US) it's still impossible to know if every dollar donated through fast offering and humanitarian channels is actually being used for those purposes. The numbers suggest they probably are, but I would hope for a better accounting. Please show us, LDS Inc., how much money is taken IN through fast offerings and humanitarian aid!

My suspicion is that no one could provide that information. How are we to know that after the wording changed on the donation slip, all money does not go into the same pot? How are we to know that the charitable donations the church is making is not but a fraction of what it is given for those purposes?! Show us that the widow's mite given for the poor is really being used for the poor!

The donation slip says the church will make reasonable efforts to use the funds as the donor intended, but that they are now property of the church to "be used at the church's sole discretion to further the Church's overall mission."

RMN says the most important mission is to gather Israel. JS said that the gathering was literal. So.. is the church is amassing a fortune to BUY Israel, pay their neighbors off so they'll leave them alone, and then tell the tribes to come back home? Sounds nuts, but... so does saving up for the millennium.

Is it possible to examine the public records in countries the church has to be more transparent with how they use donated funds, and make estimates for the church at large? England or Australia? Does anyone know?

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Post by Hagoth » Sun May 22, 2022 5:43 am

Cnsl1 wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 5:57 am
I remember trusting that what I gave to the church through humanitarian and fast offerings would be used for those purposes, and not get tied up in administrative costs.
Me too. I donated heavily after the Indonesian tsunami and encouraged others to do so because it was the one charitable organization I knew would make sure all of the money went to those in need. Then I saw the tax reports from the UK (charitable organizations there are required to report on such things) where hundreds of thousands of dollars of member donations specifically targeted for tsunami relief was simply dumped into the church's US general fund.
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Post by stealthbishop » Mon May 23, 2022 12:25 pm

It's typical for billionaire dollar companies to have some type of charitable or humanitarian foundation or arm of sorts. It's window dressing.

And yes, the church does allow bishops to release fast offerings for those in need but often bishop's are trained in "correct welfare principles" which is code for not giving too much away and some bishops are very tight fisted irregardless.

The reality is that hunger, thirst and poverty could all be a thing of the past in this world (or at least for children) but we lack the moral and political will to do it. Plain and simple. The church is very much like any other billion dollar corporation. They want the tax breaks and they show minimal impact on real world problems in return. Pennies on the dollar compared to how much they bring in and their tax exempt status.

I'm not impressed with their efforts. They could be doing SO much more. And they could actually inspire more energy in the youth and young adults of the church if they actually even tried to make an decent impact. They have the money and the expertise to make a big impact. But they want to keep more and more in the store house for when the "end times" surely come. The modern apostles and prophets don't see(r). They are blind.
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Post by Cnsl1 » Tue May 24, 2022 1:01 am

Hagoth wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 5:43 am
Cnsl1 wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 5:57 am
I remember trusting that what I gave to the church through humanitarian and fast offerings would be used for those purposes, and not get tied up in administrative costs.
Me too. I donated heavily after the Indonesian tsunami and encouraged others to do so because it was the one charitable organization I knew would make sure all of the money went to those in need. Then I saw the tax reports from the UK (charitable organizations there are required to report on such things) where hundreds of thousands of dollars of member donations specifically targeted for tsunami relief was simply dumped into the church's US general fund.
That angers me.

When one of my kids was about 8 or 9 and having a bday party with friends, they decided that in lieu of presents, they'd request a donation to help the Tsunami relief. It might have been an earthquake or tsunami somewhere else, i can't really remember, but the idea was that if guests were going to bring a $5 present, that they instead consider giving a $5 donation to humanitarian aid instead. Middle class, mostly Mormon friends were very generous in the cash they sent with their kids for the donations, and our child dutifully made a very large donation to the church, tagged specifically for the tsunami.

It was a good experience for everyone, I thought. Our kid was old enough to recognize that they didn't need any more toys or gifts, and they were starting to feel a desire to give to those less fortunate. I admit the idea for the donations in lieu of gifts may have been planted by parents, but the kid is the one who decided to do it. Definitely a good, positive thing.

But when I think that the money raised by some kids to help a specific humanitarian cause may have never left the coffers of Salt Lake, I get a bit perturbed.

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Post by moksha » Tue May 24, 2022 4:14 am

Cnsl1 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 1:01 am
But when I think that the money raised by some kids to help a specific humanitarian cause may have never left the coffers of Salt Lake, I get a bit perturbed.
On the bright side, interest accrued in the Ensign Peak investment fund may someday help purchase a Distributed Phased Sub-Space Field Emitter Array for the Starship Nauvoo, in proselytizing for new members on other planets.
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Post by Cnsl1 » Wed May 25, 2022 12:26 am

moksha wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 4:14 am
Cnsl1 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 1:01 am
But when I think that the money raised by some kids to help a specific humanitarian cause may have never left the coffers of Salt Lake, I get a bit perturbed.
On the bright side, interest accrued in the Ensign Peak investment fund may someday help purchase a Distributed Phased Sub-Space Field Emitter Array for the Starship Nauvoo, in proselytizing for new members on other planets.
I used to wonder how difficult it might be to proselytize on another planet.

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Post by Red Ryder » Wed May 25, 2022 10:41 am

Cnsl1 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 12:26 am
moksha wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 4:14 am
Cnsl1 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 1:01 am
But when I think that the money raised by some kids to help a specific humanitarian cause may have never left the coffers of Salt Lake, I get a bit perturbed.
On the bright side, interest accrued in the Ensign Peak investment fund may someday help purchase a Distributed Phased Sub-Space Field Emitter Array for the Starship Nauvoo, in proselytizing for new members on other planets.
I used to wonder how difficult it might be to proselytize on another planet.

"Brother Shgtzzpt, a long time ago on a planet far far away, some dude named Jesus died for your sins. And then he came back to life three days later and visited the people on THIS planet."
Not much different than the premises of the Book of Mormon. Jesus died and came back to America right?
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Post by Angel » Wed May 25, 2022 7:39 pm

Caring for... legal fees to avoid pedophile high priests publicized....
Caring for... indoctrination school...
Caring for... hotel rooms, airplane tickets,
Caring for... Great and spacious buildings
Caring for... public image ... power . . sexism ... political bribes ...
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Post by Cnsl1 » Thu May 26, 2022 1:35 am

Red Ryder wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 10:41 am
Cnsl1 wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 12:26 am
moksha wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 4:14 am

On the bright side, interest accrued in the Ensign Peak investment fund may someday help purchase a Distributed Phased Sub-Space Field Emitter Array for the Starship Nauvoo, in proselytizing for new members on other planets.
I used to wonder how difficult it might be to proselytize on another planet.

"Brother Shgtzzpt, a long time ago on a planet far far away, some dude named Jesus died for your sins. And then he came back to life three days later and visited the people on THIS planet."
Not much different than the premises of the Book of Mormon. Jesus died and came back to America right?
I don't know... I think that if you add, "and an angel visited this kid from another planet and gave him some sacred gold plates and told him to translate them into the truest book that ever lived and then we finally translated it into YOUR alien language so you can read it and know it's true, and..." no, you're right. It's about the same. When a story is bad, it can't get much badder.

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Post by Hagoth » Fri May 27, 2022 5:55 am

moksha wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 4:14 am
Cnsl1 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 1:01 am
But when I think that the money raised by some kids to help a specific humanitarian cause may have never left the coffers of Salt Lake, I get a bit perturbed.
On the bright side, interest accrued in the Ensign Peak investment fund may someday help purchase a Distributed Phased Sub-Space Field Emitter Array for the Starship Nauvoo, in proselytizing for new members on other planets.
That would certainly be a better investment than some things I can think of. My sister-in-law recently got remarried and, in lieu of wedding gifts, the wedding announcement asked everyone to donate to the perpetual education fund. Even the church is no longer soliciting donations to that fund since it turned into a runaway money generator.
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Post by moksha » Fri May 27, 2022 10:49 am

Hagoth wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 5:55 am
My sister-in-law recently got remarried and, in lieu of wedding gifts, the wedding announcement asked everyone to donate to the perpetual education fund. Even the church is no longer soliciting donations to that fund since it turned into a runaway money generator.
The Church will probably invest that money toward a future Sub-Space Field Emitter Array. Only the best and most reliable for the Starship Nauvoo.
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Post by Cnsl1 » Sat May 28, 2022 12:06 am

Hagoth wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 5:55 am
moksha wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 4:14 am
Cnsl1 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 1:01 am
But when I think that the money raised by some kids to help a specific humanitarian cause may have never left the coffers of Salt Lake, I get a bit perturbed.
On the bright side, interest accrued in the Ensign Peak investment fund may someday help purchase a Distributed Phased Sub-Space Field Emitter Array for the Starship Nauvoo, in proselytizing for new members on other planets.
That would certainly be a better investment than some things I can think of. My sister-in-law recently got remarried and, in lieu of wedding gifts, the wedding announcement asked everyone to donate to the perpetual education fund. Even the church is no longer soliciting donations to that fund since it turned into a runaway money generator.
When it was first introduced by Hinckley, I thought the perpetual education fund sounded like a great idea, and I'm sure it was for many people.

But it was basically the church acting as a bank to loan money to fund the education for poorer members outside the US. I think the hope was to build a better educated church membership outside the US and more stability for the church in these areas so members were less reliant on church welfare. So, rather than give a man a fish, loan the man some money so that he can go to fishing school and learn how to fish for himself. Then he has to give the money back.. plus a small interest, of course. It's a brilliant idea. A bank disguised as a charity.

With $120+ Billion in the tank, you kinda wonder why they need to charge a small interest.

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