A place to love and accept the people who think about and live Mormonism on their own terms.
https://newordermormon.net/
Welcome back Wonder. I miss your thoughtful posts from the old board. I hope you'll make some new onesWonderment wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:10 amHI RED RYDER !!Hi ENOUGH !!
Carry on, everyone !! Love you all.
This is a damn fine answer. The truest answer on the face of the earth today. I know it because I feel it in every fiber of my bean.Not Buying It wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:20 amPfffft. Don't give them the satisfaction. You may think you are making a statement, but in a way you are legitimizing their authority - "here is your recommend back you authority figure you". The very fact you are going into a leader's office to hand him back a Recommend to some extent is recognizing that leader's authority. Then the leader gets to make up little stories in his mind about what heinous sin you might have committed that you no longer desire a temple recommend.
Just keep it. Show it to your grandkids someday as an object lesson about the stupidity of giving someone else power over your life. Teach them how you were asked oppressive, invasive questions that violated personal boundaries to get that stupid piece of paper, and show them it was only ever a piece of paper that you shouldn't have sacrificed so much for. Make it a symbol of what you left behind, and teach your kids that you had so little regard for it that you didn't bother taking it back to a so-called religious authority figure.
That's what I'd do.
I see it as making a statement. It's like turning in your ticket when you realize the trip you just purchased was all hot air, with no balloon. I can also see keeping an expired TR as a souvenir, in which case when the ward clerk start frantically pestering you to renew it (gotta keep the numbers up, you know), you can refuse to do so and make it clear you have no intention to do that. I'd examine which of those scenarios is most likely to result in finality regarding your position, and I feel turning it in is the strongest message. It is not legitimizing their power; it's sending the message that their idea of "power" is a farce, and the TR is meaningless.Not Buying It wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:20 amPfffft. Don't give them the satisfaction. You may think you are making a statement, but in a way you are legitimizing their authority - "here is your recommend back you authority figure you". The very fact you are going into a leader's office to hand him back a Recommend to some extent is recognizing that leader's authority. Then the leader gets to make up little stories in his mind about what heinous sin you might have committed that you no longer desire a temple recommend.
Just keep it. Show it to your grandkids someday as an object lesson about the stupidity of giving someone else power over your life. Teach them how you were asked oppressive, invasive questions that violated personal boundaries to get that stupid piece of paper, and show them it was only ever a piece of paper that you shouldn't have sacrificed so much for. Make it a symbol of what you left behind, and teach your kids that you had so little regard for it that you didn't bother taking it back to a so-called religious authority figure.
That's what I'd do.
Hey Wait!!! Does my Magic Ranger Ring have an expiration date???Silver Girl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:16 pmWhy keep a Magic Ranger Ring (or whatever) when you realize it's all fiction and that you're sending a message to the Magic Ranger scam program that says you believe in it, because after all, you still have it.
Yes - didn't you see the coupon in the box? You have to keep buying the, or they don't work any longer. Also, the exact way they work is secret, er, sacred.wtfluff wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:29 pmHey Wait!!! Does my Magic Ranger Ring have an expiration date???Silver Girl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:16 pmWhy keep a Magic Ranger Ring (or whatever) when you realize it's all fiction and that you're sending a message to the Magic Ranger scam program that says you believe in it, because after all, you still have it.
wtfluff wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:29 pmHey Wait!!! Does my Magic Ranger Ring have an expiration date???Silver Girl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:16 pmWhy keep a Magic Ranger Ring (or whatever) when you realize it's all fiction and that you're sending a message to the Magic Ranger scam program that says you believe in it, because after all, you still have it.
I thought about this, too. I dunno, the fact I'm even thinking about what to do with it shows it still has some influence on my life. I like your reasonings.Not Buying It wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:20 amPfffft. Don't give them the satisfaction. You may think you are making a statement, but in a way you are legitimizing their authority - "here is your recommend back you authority figure you". The very fact you are going into a leader's office to hand him back a Recommend to some extent is recognizing that leader's authority. Then the leader gets to make up little stories in his mind about what heinous sin you might have committed that you no longer desire a temple recommend.
Just keep it. Show it to your grandkids someday as an object lesson about the stupidity of giving someone else power over your life. Teach them how you were asked oppressive, invasive questions that violated personal boundaries to get that stupid piece of paper, and show them it was only ever a piece of paper that you shouldn't have sacrificed so much for. Make it a symbol of what you left behind, and teach your kids that you had so little regard for it that you didn't bother taking it back to a so-called religious authority figure.
That's what I'd do.
No "membership dues" to keep my Decoder Pin active? No bi-annual interviews to prove my "worthiness" do Decode? I'M IN!!!Just This Guy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:39 amYes they do. You wanted to get the Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Pin to get the one that doesn't expire.wtfluff wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:29 pmHey Wait!!! Does my Magic Ranger Ring have an expiration date???Silver Girl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:16 pmWhy keep a Magic Ranger Ring (or whatever) when you realize it's all fiction and that you're sending a message to the Magic Ranger scam program that says you believe in it, because after all, you still have it.
Personally, I just let mine expire.