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moksha
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by moksha » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:27 am
Raytheon Corp.'s new office campus in Richardson's $1.5 billion CityLine project has sold. It's been purchased by Property Reserve Inc., a real estate and investment arm of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The three-building, 500,000-square-foot office complex on Bush Turnpike east of Plano Road cost almost $100 million to develop.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... yline-sold
Raytheon's lease on the building runs through 2026. The CityLine Project is planned to eventually contain 6 million square feet of offices, almost 4,000 apartments, two hotels and 300,000 square feet of retail space.
There is no indication as to what the Church paid for these buildings, but they were built at 1/12th the cost of the City Creek Mall.
A possible testimony building jingle for primary age children would be, "Every day in every way we are becoming a bigger and stronger corporation".
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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Hagoth
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by Hagoth » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:02 am
Raytheon huh? Are you sure the church hasn't moved from building malls to protect its temples to building anti-anti-Mormon missiles?
“The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” -Mark Twain
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
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Hagoth
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by Hagoth » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:13 am
All of this business acquiring leads me to assume that, as the church owns and operates more and more for-profit businesses, that the emphasis on promoting General Authorities will lean even more heavily toward lawyers and businessmen. What are the implications for the future of common members in such an organization? Will it come to resemble something more like a megachurch with the goal of getting more people in and helping them to have a good experience that's worth the cover price and less like an inquisition trying to enforce its agenda?
“The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” -Mark Twain
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
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moksha
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by moksha » Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:19 am
Hagoth wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:13 am
What are the implications for the future of common members in such an organization? Will it come to resemble something more like a megachurch with the goal of getting more people in and helping them to have a good experience that's worth the cover price and less like an inquisition trying to enforce its agenda?
So with the Church focus on its corporate side, they can be gentler and more tolerant toward members in its religious wing?
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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NOMelgänger
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by NOMelgänger » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:47 am
Hagoth wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:13 am
All of this business acquiring leads me to assume that, as the church owns and operates more and more for-profit businesses, that the emphasis on promoting General Authorities will lean even more heavily toward lawyers and businessmen. What are the implications for the future of common members in such an organization? Will it come to resemble something more like a megachurch with the goal of getting more people in and helping them to have a good experience that's worth the cover price and less like an inquisition trying to enforce its agenda?
I think the last GA I can recall that was a true scholar and theologian was Neal A. Maxwell. He knew his s*** and spoke it beautifully. None of the suits today even come close.
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Spicy McHaggis
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by Spicy McHaggis » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:09 am
How much time does the Top 15 & other GAs spend discussing theology, religious philosophy, etc vs how much time they spend going over the financials and discussing return on investments?
I would guess it's about 0% time spent on theology and 100% of their meetings are about their return on investment.
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Hagoth
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by Hagoth » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:14 am
Spicy McHaggis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:09 am
How much time does the Top 15 & other GAs spend discussing theology, religious philosophy, etc vs how much time they spend going over the financials and discussing return on investments?
I would guess it's about 0% time spent on theology and 100% of their meetings are about their return on investment.
Which is why the 14 Fundamentals is required. It is sinful to expect then to know what they're talking about.
“The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” -Mark Twain
Jesus: "The Kingdom of God is within you." The Buddha: "Be your own light."
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Just This Guy
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by Just This Guy » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:09 pm
What can you say? Mormonism believes in a p̶r̶o̶f̶i̶t̶ prophet. Sorry auto-correct error.
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Silver Girl
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by Silver Girl » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:22 pm
Good grief! The "Real Estate Arm" of the cult. Nice way to behave like a church, TSCC.
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2bizE
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by 2bizE » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:05 pm
After reading the leaked report of 316 pages of reported sexual abuse in the church, I can see how investments in money producing enterprise will be needed to pay for all the lawsuits.
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moksha
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by moksha » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:37 am
Spicy McHaggis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:09 am
How much time does the Top 15 & other GAs spend discussing theology, religious philosophy, etc...
It does seem unlikely that they have rabbinical-type discussions where they examine intricate details of theology or even mormonology. However, that makes sense if they view themselves more as directors than clergy.
Good faith does not require evidence, but it also does not turn a blind eye to that evidence. Otherwise, it becomes misplaced faith.
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Corsair
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by Corsair » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:30 am
Spicy McHaggis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:09 am
How much time does the Top 15 & other GAs spend discussing theology, religious philosophy, etc vs how much time they spend going over the financials and discussing return on investments?
I would guess it's about 0% time spent on theology and 100% of their meetings are about their return on investment.
I'm trying to be fair and even-handed about discerning the concentration of their attention. Let me propose that we first consider the strength of their balance sheet against outside economic influences. Then we should consider the strength of their theological posistion against outside philosophical influences. Upon which field of conflict is the LDS church most able to weather assault? Could they ride out and extended economic pressure more easily than extended philosophical pressure?
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