As insanely dysfunctional that is, sadly it’s not surprising. The church is financially corrupt. I tried telling my family - especially those financially struggling - about how the church mishandles sacred funds, but it backfired. As good cult-members, they shoot the messenger rather than consider the message.Who Knew? wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:53 pmThat used to be the case. You could set up a direct deposit from your bank directly to Church Headquarters and the bishop would never even see the payment on your record. However, when the church rolled out online tithing payment that changed. All payments to the church are reported on your record. I noticed this last time (a while ago) I got my yearly tax statement from the clerk. In previous years I would get it from church headquarters for those payments. Now they have them reported at the local level with any other donations you may have made.Just This Guy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:04 amAs Anon70 said, you can pay anonymously to SLC directly. The amount paid is not reported to your bishop, only that a payment was made. You could pay $1 and it will show up the same as $15,000. So pay $1 per pay period and then keep paying 10% to local charities that you feel need it.
You will be helping the people who needs help, and you can honestly say that you feel you are a full tithe payer. The bishop is seeing contributions to SLC so he has no need to question.
This is for encouragement, ideas, and support for people going through a faith transition no matter where you hope to end up. This is also the place to laugh, cry, and love together.
At least you have your husband - really work to keep your marriage strong - for the inevitable bumpy ride.Bluebird32 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:00 pmAnyway, my one hang up with this is the tithing question. We have been donating 10% of our income to charities or people in need in our community. This is the one thing I could see them calling me out on if I say I’m a full tithe payer. What are your thoughts on this? I’ve heard you can pay tithing anonymously. Is that true? If they try to ask why I haven’t submitted donations to the ward could I just say I pay anonymously and that would be enough?
“There must needs be opposition in all things” - including the church. I love the amazing sense of community and encouragement in being better people. There are 2 main harmful evils that have crept into the church. One is cult-mentality - like considering leaders infallible and looking more to them than to Christ. The other is how finances are handled.
Financial corruption (which contribute to debt, bankruptcy, poverty and related suffering) is undeniable. Changing scripture from what it states (increase) to mean “income” to get more money, is not of Christ. The reason God commanded tithe be based on increase is shown in the following example:
- 2 men earn the exact same income amount.
1 man is the sole provider of a family of 7 and after paying bills has no increase left.
2nd man lives with his parents who pay all his bills, so all of his income is increase.
Yet, the church demand$ the $ame amount from each man - thereby causing the 1st family to be poor. Christ was about alleviating poverty and suffering - not causing more.
While we are often pressured and shamed into giving “honest tithes,” church leaders keep money dark and secret, though Oaks did admit no tithes go to the poor. Funds intended for the poor go to the corporate empire of mormon leaders and we have no clue or say in how it’s spent. We do know the church had some elaborate malls built, and a list of greedy wordly companies using the name of Jesus Christ in vain. Meanwhile, about 1,000,000,000 of our brothers and sisters are starving. Who do TITHES belong to? God. And how do we love God? By loving the least of these.
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