Why would you want to help the needy ?

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Mackman
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Why would you want to help the needy ?

Post by Mackman » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:06 pm

Hello Nomies : Just another rant today. I recently inquired from our branch president as to why the church would not help our middle son with food ? Our middle son has Cerebral palsy from birth is not able to work but does manage to live on his own manage his meager finances from SSI etc . He recently had his food assistance slashed by 2/3 so he now receives $30.00 a month in food assistance. So the BP and Sp responded with any assistance is temporary and is not meant to become a way of life !!!!! Wow talk about a kick in the balls !!! What say the Nomie family ??

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Red Ryder
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Post by Red Ryder » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:40 pm

I see why the church only provides temporary support. They would run out of funds to buy real estate if they provided long term support.

Sorry to hear they cut his funds.

Are there any other programs or means for him to get more assistance?
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Mackman
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Re: Why would you want to help the needy ?

Post by Mackman » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:50 pm

Just to clarify my middle son has never received food assistance from the church. He was receiving government assistance that was slashed.

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Post by moksha » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:13 pm

Trumpian economics may be the causative factor at play here both in terms of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) and the lack of empathy on the part of your church leaders.
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Re: Why would you want to help the needy ?

Post by Newme » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:53 pm

Tithing is meant to go to the poor. 1/3 (according to Deut. 14:28-29) is supposed to go to the “widows and fatherless” but likely implies all those who cannot support themselves. Christ asked that those who can, give much more.

I understand that the church doesn’t want to enable generational or long-term welfare. That does happen, where people abuse government, religious and other charities. But your son’s case seems to fit into the category of long term care. I see it that many poor/disabled etc actually own tithes - but the church is stealing tithes from them. That may sound harsh, but Christ put it even harsher (parable of the sheep & goats).

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Re: Why would you want to help the needy ?

Post by Palerider » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:51 pm

Mackman wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:06 pm
So the BP and Sp responded with any assistance is temporary and is not meant to become a way of life !!!!!
Response to BP&SP:
You're probably right, I'm sure when Christ healed someone the fix probably faded in a couple of days. And the Atonement probably isn't really "eternal" either. A few years in the Celestial kingdom and then "bam!".......no more soup for you!
"There is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily."

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Re: Why would you want to help the needy ?

Post by Thoughtful » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:31 pm

Oof. I'm so sorry.

In my area, the food bank allows people to come semi regularly and this time of year at least, they generally have a lot to offer. There's some sort of online service you can have donated food shipped to you. I cannot reeval the name, I'll do some searching and see what I can find. It might give him a temporary leg up or at least maybe cover a gap between what the church is willing to do.

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Post by Raylan Givens » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:37 pm

Mackman wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:06 pm
Hello Nomies : Just another rant today. I recently inquired from our branch president as to why the church would not help our middle son with food ? Our middle son has Cerebral palsy from birth is not able to work but does manage to live on his own manage his meager finances from SSI etc . He recently had his food assistance slashed by 2/3 so he now receives $30.00 a month in food assistance. So the BP and Sp responded with any assistance is temporary and is not meant to become a way of life !!!!! Wow talk about a kick in the balls !!! What say the Nomie family ??
Surprising. I am surprised they wouldn’t just have a standard food order from the Bishop’s Storehouse or a grocery store gift card. When I was ExSec my Bishop was all about food orders, and would push this way before money.

Maybe talk to the Relief Society, they are supposed to be taking more of that role in the future.
"Ah, you know, I think you use the Bible to do whatever the hell you like" - Raylan Givens

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Re: Why would you want to help the needy ?

Post by 2bizE » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:58 am

One of the big misconceptions that angers many is the idea that if you pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in tithing and offerings during you life that when you may actually need financial assistance that the church will actually help. The church often doesn’t. It will help with food from the bishops Storehouse, and some other things but not real money. You honestly would be better off to have a family fund where your family contributes a tithe each month, and then when a crisis presents, you can distribute money from your own fund.
~2bizE

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Post by Hagoth » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:17 pm

Leadership roulette again. I knew a bishop who was succeeded as bishop by a friend. Even though he was employed his friend ensured that old bishop's family got their food from the storehouse, kids got new coats and boots from the storehouse every year, his dogs ate church-provided roast. God's mercy can be so random.
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Re: Why would you want to help the needy ?

Post by Random » Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:39 pm

2bizE wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:58 am
You honestly would be better off to have a family fund where your family contributes a tithe each month, and then when a crisis presents, you can distribute money from your own fund.
I really wish I'd had this mindset when I was still a member of the Church. It would have made a big difference several times.
There are 2 Gods. One who created us. The other you created. The God you made up is just like you-thrives on flattery-makes you live in fear.

Believe in the God who created us. And the God you created should be abolished.
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