What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by glass shelf » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:37 pm

Thoughtful wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:51 pm
I donated blood and get a free antibody test. So in 2 weeks I will find out if today I have antibodies.
My husband did this a couple of weeks ago. He was negative.

I've only been directly tested and monitored for symptoms. Never had it as far as I know. Also been swimming in GermX and Lysol at increased levels from my usual clean freak baseline since March.

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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by wtfluff » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm

Journey wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:39 pm
wtfluff wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:16 pm
Reuben wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:53 pm
They really need to reframe wearing a mask in terms of preserving freedom. It's not that hard: if we wear them, we don't have to limit freedom in more intrusive ways.
Excellent point. I hope my fluffy brain can retain it.
Try this for short:

Mask up to open up (businesses, schools, etc.)
On another note: I've also heard that if ~80% of the general public would use a mask (in public) that would basically be equal to heard immunity. Since most all indications show we're nowhere near heard immunity, and the death toll would be gigantic by the time we reached heard immunity, if it's even possible. (Not to mention the bad health effects happening even to those who "survive" infection.)

Not that an "anti-masker" would believe the heard immunity via masks anecdote, but who knows?
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Reuben » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:48 am

I'll attempt a charitable, holistic, and hopefully accurate explanation of the conservative pushback on wearing masks.

When they say it's about freedom, it's almost a full explanation.

It's helpful to understand that the right tends to understand liberty differently from the left. In the right's discourse, it usually means freedom: having fewer constraints on action. In the left's discourse, it usually means empowerment: having more ability to act. (This is well in line with Kant's notions of negative and positive liberty, and the theory of negative and positive rights.)

Neither side talks much about how their notion of liberty is useless without the other notion, preferring antithesis to synthesis. Each side is well-versed in the dystopias that have followed from the "opposing" notion becoming too dominant. (Taking freedom in the name of equal power in the USSR, using freedom to amass power and oppress in mining towns.) It's a culture war, and currently the right is afraid of losing it, having their notion of liberty replaced, and losing their freedoms.

For some conservatives, not wearing a mask is both an easy symbolic gesture and a line in the sand.

So why are conservatives insecure about this? An almost perfect storm of reasons.

1. Coronavirus safety has already required curtailing freedoms.

2. Government guidance on coronavirus safety has been inconsistent. Don't wear masks. Wear masks. Don't congregate and don't sing. Unless you're BLM protesters. It leads to distrust and the general feeling of being played.

3. Left-leaning BLM narratives and ideology are in the spotlight, and it feels to the right like their narratives and ideology are being forcibly replaced. Right-leaning narratives and ideology are often dismissed as privilege, whiteness or racism. It's not just the right that has noticed this. One article I read explains what's wrong with "check your privilege" in the language of Western Marxism.

In general, the right is tired of cancel culture and being shamed into compliance - IMO it's why they hired Trump - and many now automatically resist anything presented this way, even if it's for coronavirus safety. The fact that conservatives employ the same tactics doesn't negate the effects of those tactics being used on them.

4. There's an election coming up and a Supreme Court vacancy to fill - a well-established cultural battleground - and the incumbent Republican isn't polling well.

This all contributes to the feeling that they're on the verge of having the right to be themselves taken away.

Disclosure: I'm a rabid centrist who leans right economically and leans left socially, and dislikes unbalanced concentrations of political or corporate power.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by wtfluff » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:03 pm

More than 6 months after the discovery of a new virus which has caused untold damage to the human race, the First Presidency is finally inspired to endorse face coverings:
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:D :) ;) 8-) :lol: :P :mrgreen: :ugeek:
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by alas » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:44 pm

wtfluff wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:03 pm
More than 6 months after the discovery of a new virus which has caused untold damage to the human race, the First Presidency is finally inspired to endorse face coverings:
masksFP.jpg

:D :) ;) 8-) :lol: :P :mrgreen: :ugeek:
Well, when they opened it up and found that the documents had gotten wet, They feared black mold. Silly people this has nothing to do with corona virus, just avoiding black mold.

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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by MoPag » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:34 pm

alas wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:44 pm
wtfluff wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:03 pm
More than 6 months after the discovery of a new virus which has caused untold damage to the human race, the First Presidency is finally inspired to endorse face coverings:
masksFP.jpg

:D :) ;) 8-) :lol: :P :mrgreen: :ugeek:
Well, when they opened it up and found that the documents had gotten wet, They feared black mold. Silly people this has nothing to do with corona virus, just avoiding black mold.
I didn't even think about that! :lol: I was kind of hoping the mask would make Rusty have some kind of senile flashback to being a heart surgeon and he would cut open Oaks. And then he would be really confused that Oaks doesn't even have a heart. But then at that moment, miraculously, the historians pull a heart out of the time capsule. Rusty successfully puts it into Oaks. And that heart once belonged to BY's cross-dressing son. Fast forward to GC. Oaks's dress is waaaaay better than the lone females speaker's dress.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by wtfluff » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:40 pm

alas wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:44 pm
wtfluff wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:03 pm
More than 6 months after the discovery of a new virus which has caused untold damage to the human race, the First Presidency is finally inspired to endorse face coverings:
masksFP.jpg

:D :) ;) 8-) :lol: :P :mrgreen: :ugeek:
Well, when they opened it up and found that the documents had gotten wet, They feared black mold. Silly people this has nothing to do with corona virus, just avoiding black mold.
I guess none of the COTPOTCOJCOLDS cronies dared to tell the old folks that they would need N95 (or better) masks/respirators for any sort of protection from black mold?
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Reuben » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:17 pm

MoPag wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:34 pm
alas wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:44 pm
wtfluff wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:03 pm
More than 6 months after the discovery of a new virus which has caused untold damage to the human race, the First Presidency is finally inspired to endorse face coverings:
masksFP.jpg

:D :) ;) 8-) :lol: :P :mrgreen: :ugeek:
Well, when they opened it up and found that the documents had gotten wet, They feared black mold. Silly people this has nothing to do with corona virus, just avoiding black mold.
I didn't even think about that! :lol: I was kind of hoping the mask would make Rusty have some kind of senile flashback to being a heart surgeon and he would cut open Oaks. And then he would be really confused that Oaks doesn't even have a heart. But then at that moment, miraculously, the historians pull a heart out of the time capsule. Rusty successfully puts it into Oaks. And that heart once belonged to BY's cross-dressing son. Fast forward to GC. Oaks's dress is waaaaay better than the lone females speaker's dress.
I would watch the hell out of this movie.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by moksha » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:50 am

Nearly 100 people in Ohio got sick after one man infected with the coronavirus attended a church service.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearl ... -BB17DCqi?
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by Not Buying It » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:31 am

moksha wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:50 am
Nearly 100 people in Ohio got sick after one man infected with the coronavirus attended a church service.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearl ... -BB17DCqi?
Yep. And will most members see it for the cautionary tale that it is? Nope.
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Re: What are you doing to protect your family against the virus?

Post by wtfluff » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:26 am

Not Buying It wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:31 am
moksha wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:50 am
Nearly 100 people in Ohio got sick after one man infected with the coronavirus attended a church service.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearl ... -BB17DCqi?
Yep. And will most members see it for the cautionary tale that it is? Nope.
These types of stories strike a bit of fear in the heart of some Fluffy person who has an older, ailing parent who doesn't know how to stay away from "church services." Luckily they live in small-town, rural Jello-Belt, so not a lot of COVID-19 in the area, but again, all it takes is one person...

If there happens to be an outbreak at a COJCOLdS MORmON church service, will we hear about it? Will COJCOLd$-Inc. do anything if such an outbreak occurs? Will COJCOLd$-Inc. just blame it on "local leadership?" If people die from such an outbreak, are they just collateral damage, because COJCOLdS MORmON meetings and "religious free-dumb" are more important than human life?
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