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245,573 cases in the US and 1093 in Utah.moksha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:27 am
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
189,633 cases in the US and 888 cases in Utah.
275,586 cases in the US and 1255 in Utah.moksha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:07 am
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
245,573 cases in the US and 1093 in Utah.
Also of note: We passed the 1,000,000 mark for confirmed cases worldwide.moksha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:34 pm275,586 cases in the US and 1255 in Utah.moksha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:07 am
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
245,573 cases in the US and 1093 in Utah.
Yep, assuming we don't see a change, the current range of acceleration in the USA is variable, but between 3 times a week and 11 times in a week. So between 3 million and 33 million in 3 weeks unless the rate of acceleration changes.wtfluff wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:57 pmAlso of note: We passed the 1,000,000 mark for confirmed cases worldwide.moksha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:34 pm275,586 cases in the US and 1255 in Utah.moksha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:07 am
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6
245,573 cases in the US and 1093 in Utah.
Here we go... 10,000,000 in ~2-3 weeks.
So you say the virus is overhyped. Exactly what is the correct level of hype? It is easy to criticize with generalities, but unless you have specific suggestions of how we should be handling things differently it isn’t very helpful.Newme wrote:
MANY more die each year of FLU (than this overhyped virus).
CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 28, 2020, there have been:
39,000,000 – 55,000,000 flu illnesses
18,000,000 – 26,000,000 flu medical visits
400,000 – 730,000 flu hospitalizations
24,000 – 63,000 flu deaths
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm
2018-2019 flu season CDC estimates
+ 35,500,000 illnesses
+ 16,500,000 medical visits
490,600 hospitalizations
34,200 deaths
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
US Covid-19 Tests fallible/US rarely testing
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_ ... ronavirus/
COVID-19 Deaths in Europe: Excess Mortality is – DOWN?
”Given the global hysteria over the spread COVID-19, you might be excused if you are very surprised to learn that the most recent week of mortality data in the EU shows an actual decline from what is expected for this time of year.
In the coming months there will be an increasing debate over whether the virtual shutdown of our economy was warranted given the threat of the latest form of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. While there are still large uncertainties about how fast it spreads and how lethal it is (statistically, those are inversely related), I suspect we will ultimately realize that our response might well have done more harm than good to society as a whole.
This is mainly because poverty is the leading cause of premature death in the world, and shutting down the economy leads to premature death for a multitude of reasons related to poverty. In the extreme example, you could save lives in the short run by keeping everyone at home, but in the long run we would all starve to death.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/30/ ... y-is-down/
12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic
My wife is going to do this. She read some recommendations from a medical equipment developer who suggests adding a pocket where you can insert a layer of non-woven fabric that is better than woven cloth at stopping airborne droplets. He recommends this:AdmiralHoldo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:31 pmNow that the CDC has recommended fabric masks for everyone, I'm whipping up a quick batch for my family. I am an avid seamstress, and I used to have a sewing business, so I've got fabric coming out of my ears. And I'm going to use my Instant Pot to sterilize them between wearings. God, maybe I am still TBM and just don't realize it!
That was kind of what I was saying in the beginning, based on earlier experience with SARS and H1N1. Boy was I wrong. This is obviously quite different. If we could swap this thing for regular flu things would be a lot less concerning, but it is the addition of COVID-19 on top of the flu, considering that the hospitalization rates are much, much higher, that is the cause for concern.
And measles has a transmission index of 16 with a hospitalization rate of 25%! This is why herd immunity/vaccination is so important. Last year's measles outbreak was due primarily to anti-vaxing disinformation. If not for the level-headed majority who had been maintaining immunization it could have been a pandemic that would make this thing look like a walk in the park.
Some microbes can still exist after six hours in an autoclave. You need not fear what is already in your immediate environment. My neighbor made me a fabric mask and I intend to simply handwash it in the sink. For those who are handy with sewing, consider making these for old people you know.AdmiralHoldo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:31 pmAnd I'm going to use my Instant Pot to sterilize them between wearings. God, maybe I am still TBM and just don't realize it!
As we do each flu season. Vulnerable avoid crowds & be more vigilant to maintain strong immunity. Everyone else - keep working, loving, assembling etc.oliblish wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:09 pmSo you say the virus is overhyped. Exactly what is the correct level of hype? It is easy to criticize with generalities, but unless you have specific suggestions of how we should be handling things differently it isn’t very helpful.Newme wrote:
MANY more die each year of FLU (than this overhyped virus).
CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 28, 2020, there have been:
39,000,000 – 55,000,000 flu illnesses
18,000,000 – 26,000,000 flu medical visits
400,000 – 730,000 flu hospitalizations
24,000 – 63,000 flu deaths
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm
2018-2019 flu season CDC estimates
+ 35,500,000 illnesses
+ 16,500,000 medical visits
490,600 hospitalizations
34,200 deaths
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
US Covid-19 Tests fallible/US rarely testing
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_ ... ronavirus/
COVID-19 Deaths in Europe: Excess Mortality is – DOWN?
”Given the global hysteria over the spread COVID-19, you might be excused if you are very surprised to learn that the most recent week of mortality data in the EU shows an actual decline from what is expected for this time of year.
In the coming months there will be an increasing debate over whether the virtual shutdown of our economy was warranted given the threat of the latest form of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. While there are still large uncertainties about how fast it spreads and how lethal it is (statistically, those are inversely related), I suspect we will ultimately realize that our response might well have done more harm than good to society as a whole.
This is mainly because poverty is the leading cause of premature death in the world, and shutting down the economy leads to premature death for a multitude of reasons related to poverty. In the extreme example, you could save lives in the short run by keeping everyone at home, but in the long run we would all starve to death.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/30/ ... y-is-down/
12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic
Should restaurants and sporting events be open? How about international air travel? Schools? Offices? Movies? Conferences? Church meetings?
If this virus is really less dangerous than the flu (which is what you seem to be implying) then there should be no need for any of the above things to be closed.
Do you think the things you list in your post are not understood by the CDC, WHO, Anthony Fauci and the other experts who are advising leaders on policy?
I anxiously await your specific ideas on how countries should correctly handle this overhyped virus.
Mandating vaccines for a virus which is not even effectively tested??Hagoth wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:34 amThat was kind of what I was saying in the beginning, based on earlier experience with SARS and H1N1. Boy was I wrong. This is obviously quite different. If we could swap this thing for regular flu things would be a lot less concerning, but it is the addition of COVID-19 on top of the flu, considering that the hospitalization rates are much, much higher, that is the cause for concern.
What it really does is show us how unprepared we are and how inadequate our healthcare system is when millions of citizens suddenly find themselves without employer health benefits.
The next challenge will educating people about why they need to get the vaccine when it comes around.
Who said that?
...or their BS advice about taking precautions.
As far as the "extra layer" is concerned: I have seen folks use just regular old paper-towels. Also: Hepa filters (chopped up vacuum bags?) and coffee filters (should be plenty of those in UTAH still...)Hagoth wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:23 amMy wife is going to do this. She read some recommendations from a medical equipment developer who suggests adding a pocket where you can insert a layer of non-woven fabric that is better than woven cloth at stopping airborne droplets. He recommends this:AdmiralHoldo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:31 pmNow that the CDC has recommended fabric masks for everyone, I'm whipping up a quick batch for my family. I am an avid seamstress, and I used to have a sewing business, so I've got fabric coming out of my ears. And I'm going to use my Instant Pot to sterilize them between wearings. God, maybe I am still TBM and just don't realize it!
https://www.grainger.com/product/2XRN3? ... 333877848!
She found it at Home Depot.