A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

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A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Hagoth » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:03 pm

Brother Glen Beck is calling for everyone over 50 to get out there and sacrifice their lives to Dow Jones while the kids stay at home. He said he will gladly give his life. Brave words, considering that his job is sitting alone in a room and talking to a microphone. Yes, Brother Beck, let's immediately clog up the health system with the most vulnerable people so there are no resources to protect those kids when they have to come out to pile up the corpses.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... eck-trump/

And if that's not enough, his buddy Donald Trump is calling for all of the churches to be packed for Easter. He says it's a very special day for him. I wonder if he even knows what it represents for Christians, and that it's their most sacred day because it symbolizes overcoming death.
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by wtfluff » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:08 pm

Beck is an idiot. I shouldn't really type the other adjectives I'd also like to use to describe him.

"The Economy" can and will return. It might not look exactly like it did last year, but human beans are resilient things; If that were not the case, we wouldn't be here. We've made it through pandemics before, we'll do it again.

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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by moksha » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:07 am

In Utah, the Governor has taken the Health Department off the lead response and shifted it to those who think like Beck. In his plan, there is talk about being true to "our Beehive mentality".
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Hagoth » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:53 am

moksha wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:07 am
In Utah, the Governor has taken the Health Department off the lead response and shifted it to those who think like Beck. In his plan, there is talk about being true to "our Beehive mentality".
Unquestioning sacrifice to the queen. Make sure the honeycombs are filled to the brim. Sting once and then die.
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Just This Guy » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:18 am

Maybe this is a good thing. The older Mormons who still give that blowhard any credit will go out and work themselves to death. Then us survivors can collect their inheritances, less strain on social security, and the old diehards inthe church pass away and hopefully make room for a younger crowd with slightly less draconian views of the world.
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Not Buying It » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:02 am

It's amazing to me anyone would even make the suggestion, but here we are in 2020, slowing slouching our way back to the Dark Ages...
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by 2bizE » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:08 am

I didn’t realize Glenn Beck was still a thing...
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by MoPag » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:19 am

2bizE wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:08 am
I didn’t realize Glenn Beck was still a thing...
:lol: :lol:

He's a sh!t. I bet he feels all noble about it too. :roll:
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by wtfluff » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:34 am

Just This Guy wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:18 am
Maybe this is a good thing. The older Mormons who still give that blowhard any credit will go out and work themselves to death. Then us survivors can collect their inheritances, less strain on social security, and the old diehards inthe church pass away and hopefully make room for a younger crowd with slightly less draconian views of the world.
Hmm... Now you've got me thinking.

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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Just This Guy » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:35 am

wtfluff wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:34 am
Just This Guy wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:18 am
Maybe this is a good thing. The older Mormons who still give that blowhard any credit will go out and work themselves to death. Then us survivors can collect their inheritances, less strain on social security, and the old diehards inthe church pass away and hopefully make room for a younger crowd with slightly less draconian views of the world.
Hmm... Now you've got me thinking.

I volunteer the Q15 as Tributes!!! ;)

SOLD!
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Palerider » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:57 am

Just This Guy wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:35 am
wtfluff wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:34 am
Just This Guy wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:18 am
Maybe this is a good thing. The older Mormons who still give that blowhard any credit will go out and work themselves to death. Then us survivors can collect their inheritances, less strain on social security, and the old diehards inthe church pass away and hopefully make room for a younger crowd with slightly less draconian views of the world.
Hmm... Now you've got me thinking.

I volunteer the Q15 as Tributes!!! ;)

SOLD!
Yep, I'd tell Beck and all the prophets, seers and revelators that they can go first.

I'll be right behind you..... ;)
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Red Ryder » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:28 am

Palerider wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:57 am
Just This Guy wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:35 am
wtfluff wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:34 am


Hmm... Now you've got me thinking.

I volunteer the Q15 as Tributes!!! ;)

SOLD!
Yep, I'd tell Beck and all the prophets, seers and revelators that they can go first.

I'll be right behind you..... ;)
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Angel » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:34 am

I wish everyone would stop thinking in such black and white terms. This is not a "choose option A, or choose option b" type of thing - there are an infinite number of choices and ways to handle this responsibly.

My DH and I are both working from home, and loving it. Most people can work from home, or work in small groups, or work with masks and protective clothing.

We just need to work carefully - not stop working.
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Hagoth » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:52 pm

Angel wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:34 am
We just need to work carefully - not stop working.
That's part of how S. Korea and Japan have been handling it, with better success than most countries. The other big difference is that they took it seriously and started taking action on day one, rather than spinning their wheels for six weeks calling it a political hoax and pretending it would just magically go away.
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by wtfluff » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:17 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:52 pm
Angel wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:34 am
We just need to work carefully - not stop working.
That's part of how S. Korea and Japan have been handling it, with better success than most countries. The other big difference is that they took it seriously and started taking action on day one, rather than spinning their wheels for six weeks calling it a political hoax and pretending it would just magically go away.
Yeah, S. Korea and Japan were smart enough to get ahead in the testing phase.

And I"m gonna go ahead and open up a can of worms here, but... The other thing that S. Korea and Japan are doing right, that we tend to laugh at as 'Muricans is: EVERYONE is wearing masks. When EVERYONE wears a mask, EVERYONE is protecting themselves from spreading the virus to EVERYONE else. Even if the masks only cut down on 50% of the particulates when someone coughs, that's 50% less infection. It's plain, simple logic, that us 'Muricans have been taught to ignore.

Of course, there are no masks available in the Good ol' USA, so there's that.

I know how to sew. I guess I should get busy. :|


Feel free to sling worms at me as you see fit.
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Hagoth » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:18 pm

wtfluff wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:17 pm
Of course, there are no masks available in the Good ol' USA, so there's that.
Yup, that's another way they're doing it better. A little bit of preparatory foresight.

Have you ever heard an LDS leader "prophesy" that storing surgical masks and hand sanitizer would be more useful than raw wheat and powdered funeral potatoes?
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by StarbucksMom » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:13 pm

wtfluff wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:34 am
Hmm... Now you've got me thinking.

I volunteer the Q15 as Tributes!!! ;)
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by wtfluff » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:07 pm

Hagoth wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:18 pm
powdered funeral potatoes?
[shudder]

Seriously. If they invented powdered funeral potatoes, I might have to add them to my list of essential supplies. (To go along with the whiskey and diet soda.)
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Re: A fellow Mormon asks us to give our lives for the economy

Post by Reuben » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:22 am

I don't think there's anything wrong with the sentiment. If I were over 70, I would wish for a way to keep things running by putting only myself at risk. It's just not possible, though.

I think of his comments as a failure of reason rather than a moral failure.
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Post by Hagoth » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:55 pm

Reuben wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:22 am
I don't think there's anything wrong with the sentiment. If I were over 70, I would wish for a way to keep things running by putting only myself at risk. It's just not possible, though.

I think of his comments as a failure of reason rather than a moral failure.
If retirees could just step out of retirement and take over their kids' jobs without years of training I'm sure most of us would be glad to do it but, as you point out Reuben, it's a lot more complicated than Bro Beck makes it sound. I would gladly give my life if it meant saving my childrens' (I can only imagine the guilt they would bear if they allowed me to die that way!). I guess the bigger problem is that just tossing a bunch of old folks into some of the most impacted industries, like airlines, doesn't fix the problem either.

Maybe the most positive thing about this situation is that a lot of people can work from home.

And I have to remind myself that commentators like Beck are just entertainers who sell products by firing up people's amygdalas.
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