Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

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Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by deacon blues » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:07 pm

Oh brother! https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... ys-donald/
I apologize if this is too political, but it's the "mormon-inanity" of it that makes me. . . :shock: :?:
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by Red Ryder » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:37 pm

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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by moksha » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:03 pm

Has anybody in the Church responded to this insult on Captain Moroni?

Was Elder Lee suffering from heatstroke in the Arizona sun when he made this Sieg Heil?
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by græy » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:39 am

You just have to understand his comments in the context of scripture.

Alma 48: 17-18
Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Donald Trump, behold, the very powers of democracy would have been shaken forever; yeah, truth would never have power over the hearts of the children of men.

Behold, he was a man like unto Noah, the son of Zeniff, and even the priests of King Noah, yea, and also Cain and his sons, for they were all men of dishonesty, deceit, and selfishness.
At least, that's how Lee remembers it.
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by wtfluff » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:38 am

græy wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:39 am
You just have to understand his comments in the context of scripture.

Alma 48: 17-18
Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Donald Trump, behold, the very powers of democracy would have been shaken forever; yeah, truth would never have power over the hearts of the children of men.

Behold, he was a man like unto Noah, the son of Zeniff, and even the priests of King Noah, yea, and also Cain and his sons, for they were all men of dishonesty, deceit, and selfishness.
At least, that's how Lee remembers it.
Ha! The original version of that "used to be" one of my favorite fictional passages.

Your new version, græy, is so brilliant... Well, I might have to print it out and tape it to my mirror. :D
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by Not Buying It » Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:16 pm

Idiot.
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by alas » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:37 pm

Captain Moron—I.

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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by moksha » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:43 pm

Kevin Christiansen from MD&D put it well:
Having read the Book of Mormon, and Nibley's essay on Freeman and Kingman in the Book of Mormon, I missed the parts of the story where Captain Moroni paid off mistresses, separated children from refugee parents as deterrent, hired corrupt and ignorant people to undermine the government, flattered and schmoozed tyrants, stacked the courts, deregulated environmental and financial protections, sought to gut healthcare, refused to personally go down to battle himself (bone spur deferments), denigrated science, undermined relationships with close allies, cut both taxes and accountability for the rich, demonized immigrants and refugees, pressured Ukraine to provide smears of his legitimate political opponents, had his science office declare victory over a pandemic at the same time that infections set new record highs and leading all nations in deaths by a shocking margin, demonstrating in every divisive superspreader rally that he cares nothing for the blood of his people, and lied constantly and shamelessly.

I think the Church needs to speak up before Lee requests that Trump be placed alongside the Christus statue in the Visitor's Center.
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by DPRoberts » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:30 pm

Red Ryder wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:37 pm
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:lol: ROFLMAO
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by wtfluff » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:15 am

moksha wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:43 pm
I think the Church needs to speak up before Lee requests that Trump be placed alongside the Christus statue in the Visitor's Center.
Or...
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by oliblish » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:33 pm

wtfluff wrote:
moksha wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:43 pm
I think the Church needs to speak up before Lee requests that Trump be placed alongside the Christus statue in the Visitor's Center.
Or...
MORONi-Trump.jpg
I think that was a different Moroni...
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by wtfluff » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:34 pm

oliblish wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:33 pm
wtfluff wrote:
moksha wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:43 pm
I think the Church needs to speak up before Lee requests that Trump be placed alongside the Christus statue in the Visitor's Center.
Or...

MORONi-Trump.jpg
I think that was a different Moroni...
Meh. True Believers won't care...
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by wtfluff » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:36 pm

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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by græy » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:14 am

wtfluff wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:36 pm
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:lol:
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by Mormorrisey » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:51 am

I thought this tweet from Will Swenson was great:

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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by moksha » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:36 pm

Captain Moroni would have never referred to the fallen Stripling Warriors as "a bunch of losers" as Trump did to the American veterans buried in France.
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by Wonderment » Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:19 pm

græy wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:14 am
wtfluff wrote:
Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:36 pm
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:lol:
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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by Wonderment » Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:21 pm

The golden statue photo is great also ! Watch out for a golden statue to appear in the Visitors' Center. :D :Wndr.

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Re: Senator Mike Lee: Trump's another Captain Moroni!

Post by Not Buying It » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:11 am

Mormorrisey wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:51 am
I thought this tweet from Will Swenson was great:


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Perfect!

All joking aside, the Church really should have spoken out about one of their religious figures being co-opted by an idiot politician. But hey, if the Church is OK with it, before long every politician in Utah will be comparing themselves or whoever they support to Book of Mormon heroes. And everyone else can think the place is even crazier than they already do.
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